Talk:Neighborhoods of New Haven, Connecticut

development

There's been a lot of discussion elsewhere about definitions of New Haven neighborhoods. Certainly the 13 or so neighborhoods defined officially by the city of New Haven, which partition the city, should be listed in this article (and identified as such). I believe those neighborhoods have important meaning for operations of the city, i.e. that city services and budgets and so on are delivered according to that partition. But also there are different historical meanings for some of the neighborhoods, and there are smaller/different neighborhoods that are not official ones but are wikipedia-notable. Perhaps Wooster Square is the best-defined neighborhood in the city, because it was cut off by highways and therefore has a distinct boundary. Hopefully all this can be sorted out here. --doncram (talk) 20:00, 5 March 2010 (UTC)

Content dispute

I placed a "dispute" template on this article because I do not believe that is factually accurate; nor is it adequately supported by sources.

I have seen no sourced indication that the City of New Haven has official neighborhoods. Rather, the planning department has mapped the entire city in a collection of "neighborhood planning maps." As I have stated at User talk:Acroterion/NRHP HD issues list‎, the boundaries of these maps tend to follow census tract boundaries, and they may or may not delineate the areas that are locally considered to correspond to named neighborhoods. In some instances there are clear discrepancies, like the inclusion of part of Prospect Hill in the Dixwell neighborhood map. Furthermore, the category for New Haven neighborhoods includes several articles about neighborhoods that aren't on the allegedly "complete" list that Doncram created. (Have you ever been to New Haven, Doncram?) --Orlady (talk) 20:09, 5 March 2010 (UTC)

I see that the list shows the New Haven Green and Downtown New Haven as two separate neighborhoods. Is this supposed to indicate that the Green is no longer part of downtown? --Orlady (talk) 20:28, 5 March 2010 (UTC)

(ec) Yes, the article should be developed, and using sources. To start it off, i simply copied in the text which had appeared at New Haven, Connecticut#Neighborhoods until a few hours ago, and I also copied in the new list that had replaced it a few hours ago. I didn't create either and feel no responsibility for their content. It was content in wikipedia already, and if wrong it should be corrected. (Orlady, I'll respond to the personally-directed complaints and question directed to me, at your talk page.) I don't see what is "disputed" about the text in the article now, by the way. Certainly editors interested in the topic of New Haven's neighborhoods -- and New Haven is said to be a city of neighborhoods -- should feel free to develop this article. One good way to proceed would be to compose some maps which might be included. --doncram (talk) 20:30, 5 March 2010 (UTC)

If you can't stand behind any of this content, I contend that you should not be splitting it off into a separate article. --Orlady (talk) 20:33, 5 March 2010 (UTC)

Orlady, thanks for adding, perhaps correcting something in the article. You could remove the "complete" word out of the list in the article if you like; that was someone's intention for what the list should be, but i daresay it is not yet a complete list of all neighborhoods ever considered distinct within New Haven. As i stated in an edit summary and elsewhere, the article is needed in part to allow for discussion of sources about neighborhoods. I think there are clearly many neighborhoods in New Haven and having an article about them is useful. About the disputed tag, is that really necessary? I'm afraid it, and discussion like this, will just drive people away who might have something to add here. I'd like to replace the disputed tag with a refimprove tag, and close this little section on dispute. The only dispute we have here is dispute itself, to paraphrase someone. If there's no response about what specifically in the article is disputed, i'll remove it in a few days. Of course, if you really wish to dispute the existence of this article in wikipedia, you know the mechanisms available. --doncram (talk) 21:21, 5 March 2010 (UTC)

article existence

Orlady has moved the article to my userspace and i have moved it back. it's not my article. the article does have several sources. I will amend it now to remove the word "complete" from the list, but the article is valid. if there is dispute about whether it is valid, that should be taken up at an AFD discussion. Please don't PROD as it will be disputed. Orlady, you have argued heatedly elsewhere about New Haven neighborhoods. You are not an uninvolved administrator, so you certainly should not use administrative tools to delete this article. Put it up for AFD if you wish, but really, why not identify any shortcomings you see in the article, and help to fix them? --doncram (talk) 21:46, 5 March 2010 (UTC)

Moving articles to user space is not a use of administrative tools. You could have done that yourself -- just as you moved it back from user space. I still wonder why you are so committed to creating a live article when you don't have any sources about the topic and you are simply replicating unsourced content that was added to another article by an anonymous contributor. --Orlady (talk) 00:35, 6 March 2010 (UTC)

I did not say you had used administrative tools here; i asked you not to. There are two sources in the article (not added by me, they were in the material i copied in). I believe that the list of neighborhoods is valid, in that I doubt anyone would make up neighborhoods in New Haven. There's nothing that i see as controversial in the article. What do you object to in the article, if anything? For this discussion topic, do you seriously want to argue there should be no article on neighborhoods in New Haven. For gosh sake, there are already 15 or so separate articles on individual neighborhoods. You could possibly argue for merging them all to one list-article, but not that there cannot be a list-article to summarize, compare, contrast, and make sense of them. State a real objection to there being a list article in an AFD nomination, if you like. --doncram (talk) 02:37, 6 March 2010 (UTC)