Talk:Nazi symbolism/Archive 1

Archive 1

Duplication

An editor is attempting to put the SS runes in the gallery, when they already exist on the page. There is no need for this duplication. Thoughts? Beyond My Ken (talk) 03:32, 28 August 2018 (UTC)

The duplication can best be seen in this version of the article. The editor in question added the black SS runes to the gallery, duplicating the white-on-black SS flag on the right. I've since removed the flag, but that leads to a visually unbalanced gallery [1], when a balanced one is to be preferred. [2] Beyond My Ken (talk) 04:29, 28 August 2018 (UTC)

• A neutrally-worded pointer to this discussion has been posted on the talk page of WikiProject Germany. Beyond My Ken (talk) 03:43, 28 August 2018 (UTC)

Thank you for requesting comment on the WikiProject Germany Talk page. My suggestion is to move the duplicate SS runes to "Runic letters," as they'd be very relevant as the Waffen-SS collar patch, and add the Reichskriegsflagge to the Hakenkreuzflagge multi image template. –Vami_IV† 08:19, 28 August 2018 (UTC)

Glorifying Nazi symbols

An editor insists on changing many of the symbols to SVG version, the problem being that the SVG versions are not equivalents of the JPG versions, they have been dressed up to make the Nazi sumbols look nicer by adding a detached border around the endge. Our job as an encyclopedia is to present these symbols in the most neutral way possible, but this is being overridden by what is said to be a necessity to change JPG images to SVG images. I would argue that the neutral presentation is more important, since it's part of our function, and I would also ask to be pointed to the policy (not the guideline) which requires' all JPG images to be replaced by SVG images whenever possible, even when the two images are not the same. Beyond My Ken (talk) 21:59, 3 July 2018 (UTC)

Comment If Dude00007 restores these images again without discussing it first, I may ask for him to be blocked at WP:ANEW or WP:AE (if his changes relate to the use of Nazi symbolism in American Politics). The changes for the Celtic cross (at least) are substantial enough to require discussion beyond the justification of a file-format change. For otherwise-identical images, I believe SVG are preferred over JPG, but that's no excuse to change the image substantially. power~enwiki (π, ν) 22:33, 3 July 2018 (UTC)

Pretty much my point. If there were SVG images of the plain symbols, without ornamentation, and in the same orientation within the frame of the image (i.e. not taking up the entire frame) I would have no objection whatsoever to the replacement of the JPGs with the SVGs. it's only the fact that the SVGs have been ornamented that I object to. Beyond My Ken (talk) 23:04, 3 July 2018 (UTC)

Merge request

National Socialism, while considerably different than the Italian fascist movement that influenced it, is generally considered heavily fascist-influenced. I've requested that this page be merged with the fascist symbolism article since it contains more information and would allow a more extensive and broad overview of the subject. Many symbols tend to overlap within various fascist-influenced and fascist movements. At the moment, both entries contain a lot of duplicate information when it's really not necessary. :bloodofox: 10:02, 17 January 2006 (UTC)

Yes, I agree with you about containing more information; but, regretably, I have to oppose on the merge becuse they are not exactly the same thing, in my case. Kilo-Lima ^{Vous pouvez parler} 17:31, 6 March 2006 (UTC)

Iron Cross and Fasces

In what way is the Iron Cross a Nazi symbol? It's a German military award that's been around since 1813, 117 years before the Nazi party even existed. And did they really use the fasces? I could be wrong but this is the first I've heard of it Æscing (talk) 10:22, 4 February 2008 (UTC)

Because it has rightfully been associated with the nazi party since WWII. Anything else is an excuse to keep using hateful symbolism because one is a douchebag. 162.84.45.104 (talk) 05:59, 8 August 2011 (UTC)

Oh really now? How is the swastika a "hate symbol?" how is the Iron Cross a Nazi Symbol? the German Army still uses that symbol today in their units. By the way the term "nazi" is actually derogative because it was a term coined by people who were strongly against the nationalist socialist movement back in those days to call nationalist socialists. I find it quite funny when people contradicts themselves whenever they say its derogative when a couple of "Nazis" yell out racial slurs. Which those aren't really nationalist socialists. Becuase the core of nationalism socialism wasn't found on racism, and anti-semitism. but was found to try and change the current government at the time. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 192.145.240.80 (talk) 07:04, 14 August 2013 (UTC)

The Iron Cross isn't mentioned in the current version of this article, so that question is moot. As for the National Socialism vs. Nazism, I again direct you to Talk:Nazism.--Sus scrofa (talk) 10:15, 14 August 2013 (UTC)

Yet pretty much none of these symbols are "Nazi" symbols! They are important Cultural and Religious symbols to the German people. What a racist article this is!68.45.174.58 (talk) 14:15, 14 July 2016 (UTC)

Banned where?

These symbols are banned in I think the same countries in Europe where holocaust denial or approval will land you in prison. These include Germany and France but where else? It would be nice if this article listed the countries where display is illegal --LeedsKing (talk) 03:50, 10 December 2008 (UTC)

Definitely not in Germany and France. Where do you get your info from? Wikipedia?68.45.174.58 (talk) 14:04, 14 July 2016 (UTC)

Music

I wonder is there any info on the legal situation with musical simbols of Nazism. For example is it legal to play publicly the official music of Nazi era, such as «Die Fahne hoch!», Herbei zum Kampf, «Uns're Fahne flattert uns voran», etc. NB: I mean not the lyrics but the melody. — Сергей Олегович (talk) 09:37, 17 June 2015 (UTC)

Not Nazi

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I am sorry, but most of these, if not all, are NOT Nazi symbols!68.45.174.58 (talk) 14:02, 14 July 2016 (UTC) Symbols can be used by more than one group.--Sus scrofa (talk) 14:53, 14 July 2016 (UTC) The article should state this. Does the section on Mexican gangs state that the Crucifix and Our Lady of Guadalupe are gang symbols? I even got the ADL to put a disclaimer in their ridiculous "Symbols of Hate" website. Which, coincidentally, only contains, GERMAN symbols. There are symbols of hate from all over the world. Not just Germany. Many of these symbols are deeply meaningful to us, and have nothing to do with hate.68.45.174.58 (talk) 01:04, 15 July 2016 (UTC) I'm onboard with a disclaimer, but these symbols are strongly associated with Nazism.--Sus scrofa (talk) 18:21, 15 July 2016 (UTC) In so much as the Shahada and crescent are associated with terrorism and the cross with pogroms.68.45.174.58 (talk) 01:17, 16 July 2016 (UTC) Find a reliable source that says that the swastika is not strongly associated with Nazism then.--Sus scrofa (talk) 11:49, 16 July 2016 (UTC) I do not think any in the world thinks the Swastika was EVER associated with German National Socialism. However, what does the Swastika have to do with anything at all? 68.45.174.58 (talk) 21:40, 18 July 2016 (UTC) "most of these, if not all, are NOT Nazi symbols!" - so let's begin with the swastika - Nazi symbol or not?--Sus scrofa (talk) 22:55, 18 July 2016 (UTC) Why would the Swastika be a Nazi symbol? 68.45.174.58 (talk) 23:29, 22 July 2016 (UTC)

Yellow stars of David, pink triangles, black triangles, and other badges of "shame" used as symbols by the Nazis

This page makes no mention of many of the different symbols employed by the National Socialist government, nor does it even briefly introduce-and-link-to the page on Nazi concentration camp badges.  I see room for improvement here.  allixpeeke (talk) 11:17, 11 May 2017 (UTC)

I could begin to imagine arguments that some of the afflicted groups reclaimed those symbols as a point of pride (particularly with the pink triangles), or that these were not symbols that represented the Nazis, but the title implies any symbolism unique or original to the Nazis (whoever they applied it to). Ian.thomson (talk) 11:34, 11 May 2017 (UTC)

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Semi-protected edit request on 15 December 2020

Nazi symbol is not a swastika, It should be called what nazi called it. The word swastika is Sanskrit in origin and means “conducive to well-being. There is enough evidence to prove this word's ancient history in various cultures and religions. Conanishicx (talk) 12:07, 15 December 2020 (UTC)

• Not done - No supporting evidence provided. Beyond My Ken (talk) 12:55, 15 December 2020 (UTC)

  Please read and understand the link.. and please do not act like Hitler to make propaganda against Jews and you act with Hindus and make anti hindu propaganda.

  my question is how and when Hitler inspired by Hinduism and is he called this symbol swastika..

  see links as follows.

  https://www.bbc.com/culture/article/20210816-the-ancient-symbol-that-was-hijacked-by-evil Shyamaanath (talk) 07:30, 28 September 2022 (UTC)

Fourteen Words: David Lane Didn't Make It Up

David Lane did not invent the Fourteen Words. This falls on the shoulders of George Lincoln Rockwell, the late commander of the American Nazi Party. — Preceding unsigned comment added by ZoomerEnlightenment (talk • contribs) 02:27, 28 March 2021 (UTC)

Do you have a reliable source for this? Beyond My Ken (talk) 02:30, 28 March 2021 (UTC)

Request for comment regarding how to represent the Nazi symbol

Please feel free to participate at Talk:Swastika#RfC: Nazi symbol as swastika or variant of swastika. Binksternet (talk) 21:11, 29 November 2021 (UTC)

Swastika is not Nazi Symbol but Hakenkreuz or Hooked Cross

The Nazi symbol has always been Hakenkreuz or Hooked cross. Swastika has nothing to do with it. The documentary Silence of Swastika reveals how Hakenkreuz of the Nazis turned into Swastika as part of a conspiracy.Airpowerobserver (talk) 07:50, 12 January 2022 (UTC)

@Airpowerobserver: There has already been an Rfc (Request for comment) on this topic (see here[3]), the community consensus was that the Nazis used it. Next up, the you tube "documentary", not reliable at all see WP:RS, and as for the conspiracies and whataboutery absolute bullshit!. My apologies if this sounds rude. Since the Rfc is barely a few months old, a new one is not likely to happen any time soon but if and when there is a new one you may voice your opinions over there. Good day ! Bingobro (Chat) 08:40, 12 January 2022 (UTC)

Real meaning of Hakenkreuz is Hooked Cross Het666 (talk) 03:53, 31 January 2022 (UTC)

We use the most common English equivalent of a foreign word, which in this case is "swastika". All such esits anywhere on Wikipedia will be reverted on sight. Beyond My Ken (talk) 09:11, 31 January 2022 (UTC)

The English equivalent is Hooked Cross and don't try to divert it onto people of Asia to escape scrutiny. That's inhumane.Airpowerobserver (talk) 09:13, 13 February 2022 (UTC)

If the English equivalent to Hakenkreuz, as you say, would be Hooked Cross, why is it that when I look up the term Hakenkreuz in the German Wikipedia the search results in swastika?--Catflap08 (talk) 13:58, 13 February 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 1 February 2022

2409:4071:4E90:BB94:BF6:1507:EBCF:FA71 (talk) 15:27, 1 February 2022 (UTC)

It's not the swastika, It's Hakenkruz meaning the hooked cross. So kindly edit the page

 Not done: See above. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 15:31, 1 February 2022 (UTC)

"Hakenkreuz "

is the German word for "Swastika". This here's the English Wikipedia. Just sayin'. --Deepfriedokra (talk) 22:32, 18 February 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 19 February 2022

157.37.136.239 (talk) 04:20, 19 February 2022 (UTC) The nazi symbol is Hakenkreuz not swastika it’s creating misinformation and and is responsible for racism. The two symbols are completely different and have nothing in common. Do not use the word swastika if your reference is to nazi symbols it’s Hakenkreuz

 Not done: See above. Jack Frost (talk) 04:30, 19 February 2022 (UTC)

The difference between Swastika and Nazi party's Hakenkreuz (Hooked Cross).

1. Swastika is sacred in Hinduism,Buddhism and Jainism symbolizing sun, prosperity, good fortune.

2. Hakenkreuz is Nazi symbol, also known as Hooked Cross. It has no relation with Hindusim. 27.59.42.59 (talk) 08:50, 11 March 2022 (UTC)

Wishful thinking. Binksternet (talk) 04:58, 28 September 2022 (UTC)

Wolfsangel is not necessarily "runic"

Under "other symbols", can the reference to "runic symbols" such as the Wolfsangel be amended. The Wolfsangel is an important part of Nazi symbolism (deserves more mention and images in this article), but its description as a "runic symbol" is disputed by scholars. It is more linked to an early 15th-century symbol of German liberty (which the Nazis probably wanted to appropriate), and also to Hiter's own association with wolves (e.g. wolf's lair, wolfpack etc.). 78.18.245.169 (talk) 11:13, 30 April 2022 (UTC)