Talk:National University of Singapore/Archive 1

Complete Rewrite

Someone or some group please rewrite the entire bloody article. This is probably the worst article on an university in the whole of wikipedia. Reading through it is painful, the entire article has no proper structure. Maybe we should use some of the articles for US universities as a template (the good ones all have the same structure), and rework the entire thing. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 137.132.3.6 (talk) 08:02, 28 October 2007 (UTC)

I think it is fair to add all rankings that NUS have. However, the statement on the university vision is really just the vision of the university; and reflects how the university thinks. It is after all their official vision and nothing is wrong about that.

Nevertheless, some phrases like "fulfilling university experience" is clearly a bias section and is inappropriate for an encyclopaedia.

Can someone add in Shanghai Jiaotong University's ranking (which incidentally is based on research papers)? That one at least put things into perspective with NUS in the 100-150 range.

A user added a commentary to the Times Higher ranking with

"This ranking was highly controversal as NUS was ranked higher than some universally accepted best universities in the world. This abberation was caused by the different weighings used in calculation of the ranking adopted by Times."

There might be some truth that it is "controversal," but this line has POV problems. Anyway, it is obvious, that any form of ranking will have different weightages and methodologies, and there has never been a singular means of doing it anyway.--Huaiwei 02:18, 22 Nov 2004 (UTC)

I've added the most recent reference to the Shanghai Jiatong University to the end of the WP:Lead, following the Times ranking. It seems Times rates highly the top university in a given country (NUS being the top university in Singapore), while it downplays the importance of elite, but not leading, universities in a country. Hence, the top Russell and 1994 Group members are trailing on that list in spite of their general excellence. Rlinfinity (talk) 15:15, 6 June 2010 (UTC)

The whole tone of the article is inappropriate and full of POV, as well as of another substance. For example:

With the university vision of "Towards a Global Knowledge Enterprise", the NUS strikes to provide a balanced, quality education, and to encourage scholarship at the highest level.

All Universities have such a "vision". Please remove this junk.

One of the most comprehensive university in Asia,

What does that mean?

NUS boasts a world-class infrastructure with 6 libraries, full wireless campus-wide, full sporting facilities, lecture theatres, halls of residences and various student activities that makes a fulfilling university experience.

"A fulfilling university experience"? You want to claim that that is not "POV"?

NUS will soon be turning 100, carrying with it a century of rich heritage

Please remove this propaganda.

External Links Why are the external links for the halls of residences removed? They are links to the homepages of the respective halls. Not all the halls have wikipedia entries. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Wkwloo (talk • contribs) 18:21, 4 October 2009 (UTC)

Cleanup

Firstly, when you guys add to the discussion page please tag your ID's so we know who's talking. Second, this article needs to be changed so that the infobox matches the university template (rankings do not go into the infobox as they are subjective and not a part of the school but of outside sources and be be discussed within the article). Third, NUS gets a gigantic boost in the Times because of its percentage of international students and faculty, which is severely overweighted in the THES. These rankings should still be stated but not in the infobox. Fourth, there are way too many red links so if someone wants to fill them in go ahead but they've been there for some time so I'm tempted to take them off and leave them as plaintext. All the things above I will start working on and if anyone has objections leave me a message on my user page. Last, how can the school be government supported but private? This is contradictory. The Singapore government has everything to do with NUS' funding. ArchonMeld 04:21, 19 April 2006 (UTC)

I have taken the liberty of merging in and redirecting all the institution stubs into this article. Most other articles start off life as a single page and then branch into smaller, more specific articles only when there is too much information. I don't see why this article should be any different. The practice of red-linking all the institutions is simply silly and downright harmful, because it encourages people to create non-notable sub-stubs that are unlikely to pass through any deletion discussion unscathed (for example, the Prince George's Park Residences article was re-created in good faith but still in non-notable form after its first AfD and is unlikely to pass its second AfD). There are still some artifacts from the merge process though (for example rankings are not centralised in the Rankings section, but scattered over the place) so please help to cleanup the merged article to make it more standardised. ^_^ Kimchi.sg 06:15, 16 May 2006 (UTC)

"Please tag your ID's"? Excuse me? As you might guess, the people writing here may have been at the NUS and therefore experienced it and thus claim certain aspects of this wikipedia entry as 'propaganda'. Do you think anyone would want to have an ID tag with such an 'accusation' in place? - I think not, especially as it is so obvious that the biased POV provided in this article reflects the interest of the NUS itself and it is up to the reader to assume who added this sort of content. - I am very dissatisfied with the level of quality in this article - very misrepresenting. (sorry, I am not going to name details out of privacy concerns, others have done that already) Nothing has been done since the above criticism in 2006, and it is now 2009.

POV and advertising

I've marked the article with POV and advertising warnings due to the large number of marketing phrases in the article, including gems like "NUS is dedicated to nurturing creativity and innovation through challenging project work, participative learning and an environment conducive to sparking ideas and imagination". I'll try and clean out some of the cruft/--Saganaki- 11:51, 24 October 2006 (UTC)

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Extreme violation of Wikipedia's NPOV/non-advertising policies

Wow! This page is one of the worst cases of "advertising" I've seen on Wikipedia! I tried adding "peacock" banners to flag all of the most blatant sections, but I finally gave up when I got to: "A wide range of modules are offered to satisfy the interests of everyone, but a common characteristic links all of them together- the emphasis on critical thinking. Classes are platforms for rigorous debates and intensive intellectual discussions, with students from diverse academic background each pushing the analysis deeper and deeper. To put it simply, thinking is not a choice, but a sine qua non, a necessity." ...Why do I get the feeling that this is precisely what does NOT go on there? Shameful...Poor Tony 10:18, 25 September 2007 (UTC)

Inconsistent Malay Translation

In the article, it is stated that the university is called "Universiti Kebangsaan Singapura" in Malay. However, the Malay Wikipedia article's title is "Universiti Nasional Singapura". Could someone confirm which one is correct? 155.69.164.29 (talk) 19:41, 28 February 2008 (UTC)

The translation is correct. The word "Kebangsaan" [1] is the pure Malay word for national whereas "Nasional" [2] is the anglicized Malay word. Both carry the same meaning and can be used interchangeably. --J.K.S.Lau (talk) 18:41, 7 July 2010 (UTC)

NUS Logo

Please differentiate between NUS Coat of Arms and NUS Identity. Refer to this: http://www.nus.edu.sg/identity/rationale.php Other universities commonly put their coat of arms, but in my humble opinion, it is good to put both NUS coat of arms and identity.

NUS Campus Area

What happened to the 1.5 km2 campus area?

A question

Sorry, a question: I was wonderin' if Nus were a public or private university, and I read "Type: Autonomous". What does "autonomous" university stand for? --Mariotto2009 (write me) 20:47, 16 sep 2009 (CEST)

Another question Why isn't there another sort of stub page for Prince George's Park and other residences. For example clicking on the link of King Edward VII hall link, I get redirected back to the NUS page. May we have stubs in place for these kind of sections, so that someone can expand on them. Thank You --Mohit Kanwal (talk) 00:29, 29 April 2010 (UTC)

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Main campus located "at" Kent Ridge

@MageLam: You might wish to check this [3], [4], [5], [6]. The main campus is located "at" Kent Ridge itself. --Lemongirl942 (talk) 09:54, 8 April 2016 (UTC)

@Lemongirl942: Conflicting enough given that their "Bukit Timah" campus isn't in Bukit Timah. -- MageLam (talk) 09:56, 8 April 2016 (UTC)

@MageLam: The Bukit Timah campus was along Bukit Timah road (still is if I am not wrong). The Kent Ridge campus is definitely at Kent Ridge though. --Lemongirl942 (talk) 09:59, 8 April 2016 (UTC)

@MageLam: OK, so the campus is definitely at Kent Ridge [7]. More specifically it is on the western part of the Kent Ridge (from what I could see on the map). But since I can't find citations for the same, it is best to mention Kent Ridge. --Lemongirl942 (talk) 14:28, 8 April 2016 (UTC)

Update to NUS Overseas Colleges

Please change "There are seven colleges: the Silicon Valley, California, United States; Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, US; Shanghai, China, Beijing, China, Stockholm, Sweden, India and Israel." to "There are nine colleges: the Silicon Valley, California, United States; New York, US; Shanghai, China; Beijing, China; Stockholm, Sweden; Munich, Germany; Lausanne, Switzerland; Israel and Singapore."

• NOC is no longer in Philadephia and India. (Source: http://enterprise.nus.edu.sg/educate/nus-overseas-colleges/programmes)
• New NOC locations in Munich, Germany (Source: http://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/nus-new-varsity-tie-up-is-in-munich) and Lausanne, Switzerland (Source: http://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/education/nus-to-partner-2-more-unis-in-entrepreneur-programme)
• Missing New York (Source: http://enterprise.nus.edu.sg/educate/nus-overseas-colleges/programmes/new-york)
• iLEAD renamed to NOC Singapore (Source: http://enterprise.nus.edu.sg/educate/nus-overseas-colleges/programmes/singapore)

Pokidots (talk) 09:01, 24 November 2016 (UTC)

Pokidots I have rewritten the content today and accordingly we don't need to mention so many details about NOC. On Wikipedia we write articles WP:SUMMARYSTYLE. Accordingly, it is more informative to give a brief description of the programme. Your last 2 points are also sourced to primary sources. There isn't really a need to include all of this here. --Lemongirl942 (talk) 14:58, 7 December 2016 (UTC)

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Copyvio

Much of the text in the section National University of Singapore#Design and Environment is a copy-paste from here. I suspect there may be other sections as well. Diannaa, is this enough for you or would you like me to handle more formally? Thanks MB 16:45, 9 September 2020 (UTC)

I have removed the material but have not done revision deletion as it was added way back in 2017. I will do some more cleanup as well — Diannaa (talk) 20:12, 9 September 2020 (UTC)