Talk:Nakşidil Sultan

Creation of article by split

This article is created by a split of two articles: [[1]]. Both Naksh-i-Dil Haseki and Aimée du Buc de Rivéry existed and are notable in themselves, but they are not confirmed to be the same person, just rumored to be, and thereby should have separate articles. --Aciram (talk) 15:40, 6 June 2013 (UTC)

I will perform the cleanup after the split by moving what concerns Naksh-i-Dil Haseki from Aimée du Buc de Rivéry to this article, but this is just cleanup and I take no responsibility for what is attributed and credited to other contributors. I leave to the more informed to develop the article of both of these women. --Aciram (talk) 15:45, 6 June 2013 (UTC)

I cleaned the legendary stuff about Aimée from the article, since it is already covered in the Article about Aimée. This article here should mostly focus on what little is known about Nakshidil. Since I only encountered this mess of a semi-history fudge today and I have no means of checking the rest of all these purported facts, someone else should decide whether or not to split the article further - after all, this article all but states that there were TWO Naksidils: one who birthed Mahmud II., the other who raised him. It bothers me further that a lot of the facts in that section came from IP edits. As a final statement, I do sincerely believe that the "facts" about Nakshidil organizing picnic parties and embassies in Paris, is just another part of the not-so-urban legend. --Enyavar (talk) 00:08, 17 August 2015 (UTC)

Georgian descent; more Aimée legends

Again, these are rumours, aren't they? Why are they included into the infobox? --Enyavar (talk) 20:41, 4 March 2017 (UTC)

There is an IP that constantly replaces "probably from Caucasus" with "definitively from Georgia", citing a passage from an inaccessible book that tries to debunk the Aimée myth, using a non-reliable source, Albert Cahouet from 1931. While the Aimée myth is considered false - yes - that isn't considered proof of her Georgian descent. I invite the IP to translate and discuss the points raised by the cited book here on the talk page. In the meantime, I'll remove the Georgian descent from the Aimée-myth-paragraph; and restore the Caucasus/Georgian descent and other supposed sources in the "supposed-facts-paragraph". Oh, and other people claim to even know her birthdate, 19 December 1768. No source given, naturally, so I'll leave that out for now. --Enyavar (talk) 17:04, 28 March 2017 (UTC)

More unsubstantiated stuff: for "largely attributed to the influence of his mother", there is currently the source given of "A History of the Modern Middle East", p.71. That page 71 is dedicated to 16th century military. Mahmud II. isn't mentioned until p.141-146 of that same book - and his mother is not mentioned in the entire paragraph about his reign. Various reforms are mentioned, but his mother's influence cannot be concluded from that book. Via googlebooks, I also checked the book for various spellings of her name (no results) and for the word "mother" (3 results, not related to Mahmud II.). The Cleveland/Burton book might be good introductory reading in Turkey's history; but it's not a source for this article unless I'm missing something.

I'm also removing the following links:

• "Manioc" retrieved 2010, the link is no longer valid but since it's from a "caribic library" it probably only leads towards a "Aimée du Rivéry" source... And voilà when searching for such an entry, I found the database entry and portrait: "L' Impératrice créole, la Sultane validé, née Aimée Du Buc de Rivery. Extrait de l'ouvrage de Benjamin A. Morton, The veilid Empress" (or a similar page)
• "Explore Turkey" also retells the Aimée legend, including some falsifiable details like the wrong year of her being abducted/missing. The "source" outright states that this is a legend; and then cites from a novel - that page isn't a valid source in my opinion.

Best, --Enyavar (talk) 15:11, 16 September 2019 (UTC)

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