Talk:NCFE (charity)

Latest comment: 1 year ago by Robertsky in topic Requested move 7 December 2022

Requested move

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The result of the move request was: consensus not to move the page to NCFE, per the discussion below, although per the evidence here, moving to a variation on "NCFE (Foo)" may still be advisable. Dekimasuよ! 00:28, 27 October 2014 (UTC)Reply


Northern Council For Further EducationNCFE – Current name is NCFE, not an acronym,[1] so recent page move was incorrect. Move back to NCFE as primary topic. David Biddulph (talk) 03:45, 19 October 2014 (UTC)Reply

Survey

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Tone - Sounds like an Advertisement, rather than an Encyclopedia article

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Anyone have any thoughts on this (before I potentially waste time trying to edit the content to be more objective)?

Topics not addressed

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There seems to be nothing saying whether or how an individual can join the NCFE system in order to get a qualification. I didn't see anything helpful on the NCFE web site either. There is also the question of just what an individual or a school should do in order to become able to teach a subject to NCFE standards officially. 94.30.84.71 (talk) 17:38, 25 May 2019 (UTC)Reply

Requested move 25 May 2022

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The result of the move request was: Not moved. Consensus against moving. (non-admin closure) Natg 19 (talk) 22:55, 14 June 2022 (UTC)Reply


– Have not been known as Northern Council for Education since name change in 1990s 2A00:23C8:1F0B:4901:8C40:8E1A:8422:B01F (talk) 12:54, 24 May 2022 (UTC) — Relisting. --lettherebedarklight晚安 (おやすみなさい)。 08:25, 4 June 2022 (UTC)Reply

This is a contested technical request (permalink). GeoffreyT2000 (talk) 04:14, 25 May 2022 (UTC)Reply
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Requested move 6 December 2022

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As suggested by the closer of the above thread (see: their talk page), I'm reopening this discussion to determine the best parenthetical disambiguation with regards to a name change for this page. The organisation is known solely by the name NCFE - they have not been known as Northern Council for Education for decades. This is therefore not their full name, but rather a historic one - and as such, I believe a parenthetical disambiguation would be the most accurate and proper way to reflect this. Does "NCFE (Vocational and technical learning charity)" work? 81.159.58.194 (talk) 14:24, 6 December 2022 (UTC)Reply

Requested move 7 December 2022

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The result of the move request was: Moved to NCFE (charity). Those opposing are doing on basis that that it is an abbreviation. However, those supporting has presented evidence that this is a rebrand, with the abbreviation clearly being utilised more commonly than the full name, satisfying WP:NAMECHANGES. Consensus developed on the shortened disambiguator. (closed by non-admin page mover) – robertsky (talk) 13:00, 23 December 2022 (UTC)Reply


Northern Council for Further EducationNCFE (Vocational and technical learning charity) – As suggested by the closer of the above thread dated 25 May 2022 (see: their talk page), I'm reopening this discussion to determine the best parenthetical disambiguation with regards to a name change for this page. The organisation is known solely by the name NCFE - they have not been known as Northern Council for Education for decades. This is therefore not their full name, but rather a historic one - and as such, I believe a parenthetical disambiguation would be the most accurate and proper way to reflect this. Does "NCFE (Vocational and technical learning charity)" work? 2A00:23C8:1F18:1301:A107:7E84:BBEE:6208 (talk) 11:41, 7 December 2022 (UTC) — Relisting.  ASUKITE 16:33, 15 December 2022 (UTC)Reply

Note: WikiProject Wales has been notified of this discussion. ASUKITE 16:33, 15 December 2022 (UTC)Reply
  • Oppose, on the basis there's no independent reliable proof of what exactly the company/charity is best known as. Tt's fairly plain what "NCFE" stands for and if the Wikipedia article was originally created under 'Northern Council for Further Education', it must have been for a reason. Understandably, such a mouthful could be commonly abbreviated by people that know NCFE. This (and the whole article for that matter) currently suggests someone is trying to promote an organisation under their newer branding. Sionk (talk) 18:48, 16 December 2022 (UTC)Reply
  • Support move to NCFE (charity) It seems the organisation has long dropped the full name since the 1990s [3] [4] [5] as they're no longer purely focused on Northern England with the letters no longer being an acronym[6], while it can indeed be interpreted as a remarketing of the organisation, other bodies seem to have accepted it. NCFE is used by the UK Government [7] and the Joint Council for Qualifications [8]. NCFE is its legal name, a charity under the full name was removed. Many results under "Northern Council for Further Education" use that term in past tense [9] [10] (and 1990s sources above). Also search engine results [11] [12] lean NCFE, although this can be influenced by the qualification, but trying to exclude those still show leaning to NCFE, 7,230 Google news articles compared to 20 full name (many under the full name stated "formerly the Northern..."), therefore likely satisfies WP:NAMECHANGES, although may be helpful for the full/former name to remain in the lead. Support altered disambiguator by Amakuru. DankJae 21:51, 18 December 2022 (UTC)Reply
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