Talk:My Little Pony: Friendship Is Magic/GA2
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Reviewer: That Ole Cheesy Dude (Talk to the hand!) 04:36, 18 July 2011 (UTC)
I'm very sorry, but this article's content has a plethora of claims from unreliable sources that cannot be accepted. Around 7+ of the references are from DeviantArt and should be instantly removed and all fansites, blogs or imdb references should also be removed, once you've gathered together the references to replace the following, you should renominate it, but I haven't gone over the text yet, so do make sure that grammar is flawless and such. Thanks for your work on this article but it isn't ready for GA yet. That Ole Cheesy Dude (Talk to the hand!) 04:36, 18 July 2011 (UTC)
- Ref 1 is from IMDb. Not reliable.
- Ref 3 is unneeded for a start and is unreliable and doesn't link to an informative part of the site.
- Ref 4 is unreliable. Cartoon fansite.
- Ref 5 Seriously? A deviantArt forum?! Unreliable.
- Ref 6 Unreliable.
- Ref 9 Deviantart.
- Ref 10 Deviantart.
- Ref 11 Deviantart.
- Ref 12 imdb.
- Ref 13 imdb.
- Ref 14 Exactly the same ref as 3, which I've already stated is unreliable.
- Ref 15 Deviantart.
- Ref 24 Unreliable.
- Ref 35 Deviantart.
- Ref 36 Deviantart.
- Ref 37 Same source as 24.
- Ref 41 Facebook!
- Ref 43 Fansite.
- Ref 44 Facebook.
- Ref 46 Fansite.
Too many unreliable sources to be able to repare in the space of a GA Nomination. That Ole Cheesy Dude (Talk to the hand!) 04:36, 18 July 2011 (UTC)
- Please be aware: all of the DeviantArt links are from Lauren Faust (the show's creator, and confirmed) herself. Normally, yes, DA would be unreliable, but this is a case of an appropriate SPS to affirm information. Similiarly, the *official* Facebook fan page would similarly be a reliable source since it is run by Hasbro themselves. --MASEM (t) 04:58, 18 July 2011 (UTC)
- A Facebook status is not acceptable as a ref, but the official FB page can be accepted as a Primary S I guess but unless a reliable indicator can be found that this particular DeviantArt account is actually from Faust, it cannot be accepted as a primary and also the article relies far too heavily upon it even if it is allowable. That Ole Cheesy Dude (Talk to the hand!) 05:14, 18 July 2011 (UTC)
- Not really - there's plenty of third-party sources to establish the development of the show and the reception (both the normal and the brony side). Faust's DA messages are filling in gaps that these don't quite cover. Note that I'm not challenging other aspects you've listed, but it needs to be clear that just because its on DA or FB doesn't invalidate it, we just need assurances these people are who they say they are. --MASEM (t) 05:26, 18 July 2011 (UTC)
- Reluctantly, I have to agree on the FB matter, but I don't see the DA sources going anywhere any time soon. Rainbow Dash 05:28, 18 July 2011 (UTC)
- And just in case: the Wired article [1] affirms the DA account. --MASEM (t) 05:30, 18 July 2011 (UTC)
- Ah, very well, with authentication of the source, DA is acceptable, but the usage of primary sources should be limited, especially for a GA! If other sources can be found to replace them, then they should be replaced. I hope we can agree on that? That Ole Cheesy Dude (Talk to the hand!) 05:38, 18 July 2011 (UTC)
- Indeed it should. Rainbow Dash 05:45, 18 July 2011 (UTC)
- Seven/nine of 46 refs is not an issue in terms of "reliance". Again, the major aspects of the show's development and reception are set by third-parties, the "gaps" filled by the primary sources. That's completely acceptable. It would be different if there was a whole section (outside of plot) that only came from a primary source and only a detail or two was from a third-party. --MASEM (t) 13:01, 18 July 2011 (UTC)
- Not really, 4 of them are in the Development section... but I can see we aren't to agree and the other references still stand to be replaced, I wish you good luck with this article in future. That Ole Cheesy Dude (Talk to the hand!) 16:01, 18 July 2011 (UTC)
- Seven/nine of 46 refs is not an issue in terms of "reliance". Again, the major aspects of the show's development and reception are set by third-parties, the "gaps" filled by the primary sources. That's completely acceptable. It would be different if there was a whole section (outside of plot) that only came from a primary source and only a detail or two was from a third-party. --MASEM (t) 13:01, 18 July 2011 (UTC)
- Not really - there's plenty of third-party sources to establish the development of the show and the reception (both the normal and the brony side). Faust's DA messages are filling in gaps that these don't quite cover. Note that I'm not challenging other aspects you've listed, but it needs to be clear that just because its on DA or FB doesn't invalidate it, we just need assurances these people are who they say they are. --MASEM (t) 05:26, 18 July 2011 (UTC)
- A Facebook status is not acceptable as a ref, but the official FB page can be accepted as a Primary S I guess but unless a reliable indicator can be found that this particular DeviantArt account is actually from Faust, it cannot be accepted as a primary and also the article relies far too heavily upon it even if it is allowable. That Ole Cheesy Dude (Talk to the hand!) 05:14, 18 July 2011 (UTC)