Talk:Muslim Assyrians

Original research

I just copied the content from the Assyrian people article, is there anything wrong? I personally doubt there are any Muslim Assyrians. User:Slackerlawstudent, is there something that needs correction here? — EliasAlucard|Talk 21:33 24 Aug, 2007 (UTC)

Well there is a flag dedicated to the Muslim Assyrians there probably is the Arabized ones or Kurdified. --Vonones 19:29, 25 August 2007 (UTC)

What flag? — EliasAlucard|Talk 17:10 26 Aug, 2007 (UTC)

Flag of the Muslim Assyrian minority [1] and see site: [2] --Vonones 02:15, 27 August 2007 (UTC)

Unbelievable. Well, we need more sources than that. I'll try some Google and see what I can come up with. — EliasAlucard|Talk 22:32 27 Aug, 2007 (UTC)

A better title would be "Islamization of Syriac Christians". ornina.org is obviously not a reliable source, and the claim that the Barzani, Tagritoye, Tayy and Shammar Arabs are Arabized Assyrians needs to be properly referenced, or removed. --dab (𒁳) 11:12, 17 October 2007 (UTC)

Assyrian = Christian POV

I have reverted this article to its state before user User:55yy55hh completely changed it to its blatantly POV state. Look, if you want to dispute the existence of Muslim (or Islamified) Assyrians, you're more than welcome to debate it here. But essentially blanking an article is completely unconstructive. --OneTopJob6 (talk) 01:30, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

Ok, i just havent heard of any assyrians being muslim, you can check the assyrian people history it states they have had only two religions throughout their entire history which spans over thousands of years, first one was ashurism then they converted to christianity as early as 33 AD.There is no evidence of muslim assyrians, a website claiming a flag of the muslim assyrians is not a reliable enough source , i can easily make a site and create a bogus flag of the assyrian people which wouldnt make it creditible. Find me evidence of one muslim assyrian and i will agree with you. 55yy55hh (talk) 16:12, 1 July 2008 (UTC)

55yy55hh, do not blank the page and replace it with your personal talk commentary. You need to discuss this issue ON THIS TALK PAGE, not on the encyclopaedic page itself. Do not continue to revert the page to your personal feelings; that is inappropriate. DISCUSS IT HERE, NOT ON THE PAGE. em zilch (talk) 05:17, 6 July 2008 (UTC)

"your own personal feelings" These arent my personal feelings, these are facts, it doesnt matter anyway 99% of websites and scholars have stated that assyrians have worshiped two gods throughout their history, first one was ashur the second one was jesus, anyone can spread lies throught wikipedia but the people that can do that extra bit of research or even ask real life assyrians, they will know there is no such thing, once again not my opinoun, just facts. 55yy55hh (talk) 07:46, 6 July 2008 (UTC)

Plain fact is that you used the page as a Talk page, don't do that. I understand if you are frustrated - right now I'm annoyed about idiocy on a different page about what appears to me to be plain facts versus pure biased untruths - but don't ever blank a page. It's going to get you in bad trouble. Instead, discuss on the talk page and use the available channels.

Your feeling is that Syriac speakers - I say feeling because we have no cites, not because it is denigrating you - either don't convert to Islam or that they lose their identity and no longer speak Syriac or participate in the community as Syriacs/"Assyrians". Is that correct?

I should add that Asshuur was not the only god of the Assyrian empire, just the most important, playing a crucial role but never ever monotheistic in nature. I recommend as an excellent read Holloway, Steven W (2002), Aššur is king! Aššur is king! : religion in the exercise of power in the Neo-Assyrian Empire, Boston & Leiden: Brill, ISBN 9004123288 - check google books for a preview ([3]). em zilch (talk) 15:58, 6 July 2008 (UTC)

Okay i understand i wont edit this page or blank it anymore since ill get in trouble or it would just get reverted anyway. I disagree with this bit "while a small number retains elements of Assyrian ethnic identity:" "A small minority of the Assyrians, around 1%, has converted to Islam, but remains Assyrian in culture and language...The flag of the Muslim Assyrian minority is a vertical tricolor of violet, yellow and green, bearing a white crescent moon and five-pointed star on the upper hoist."

There is no Assyrian muslim flag, the only place it is mentioned is on that website which claims it source from one book, the flag is computerized anyone can make that flag up using mspaint in no time, if there was a physical photo of the flag i would be more convinced. When the Assyrian people got arabized they lost their culture, language and their Assyrian blood, this article claims there are people that identify themselfs as assyrians and also muslim as their religion , this is not true any 'Assyrian' that is muslim has probally lost all their Assyrian culture and identify them selfs as either a kurd muslim or iraqi muslim, ive never read anything anywhere that states there is proof of a living Assyrian muslim. For exmaple lets say they were like 10 Assyrian muslims this small number wouldnt be enough for an article to be made if it was then we would have to make an article on Assyrian Scientologist, Assyrian Buddist and so on. Oh and the ashur bit you mentioned yeah assyrians did have a few gods but wasnt it ashur the main one? the one they got the name 'Assyrian' from? 55yy55hh (talk) 08:03, 7 July 2008 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 55yy55hh (talk • contribs) 08:01, 7 July 2008 (UTC)

Yes, Aššūr had pride of place as the nation's official divinity, used in a political cult that inhaled the cults and gods of those who were conquered in a kind of religious imperialism. But he wasn't any kind of monotheistic, transcendent divinity as we would recognise one. He just represented the nation-state and originally symbolised the city of Aššūr, whence "Assyria".

If what you say is true, and you think this article is spurious, use the template format at Wikipedia:CSD. Just follow the directions on how to add the template and what to do. Things will proceed from there as people will vote on its merit and likely it will be deleted. em zilch (talk) 11:27, 7 July 2008 (UTC)

Okay thanks for the advice, since im new to wikipedia might take me a while to understand how to use the template but thanks for the help. 55yy55hh (talk) 14:56, 7 July 2008 (UTC)

Merge

The so called Muslim Assyrians are the same as the Mhallamis. Why is there two articles? I doubt that any Mhallami still have Assyrian blood or identify themselves as Assyrians. Merge this article with Mhallami. Shmayo (talk) 14:47, 28 November 2008 (UTC)