Talk:Music Millennium

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CIMSMUSIC

That source is essentially written off of the owner/manager's own words and using their words to justify inclusion for something beyond basic facts, such as verifying when it opened is undue and lending too much weigh to someone associated with the business to control contents within the article. Wikipedia articles should be based on independent secondary sources. Graywalls (talk) 14:26, 8 August 2022 (UTC) @Constablequackers:. Graywalls (talk) 15:00, 8 August 2022 (UTC)

Whether or not you like the contents of the article or how it was written, that's irrelevant and you're being subjective. It is an independent secondary source. Constablequackers (talk) 09:13, 9 August 2022 (UTC)

@Constablequackers:, It is written with a great deal of direct quotations of the manager, which means it isn't independent secondary. Also, a mention of membership in an organization that cites the organization itself does not convey significance. If The Oregonian, or The New York Times were to say Music Millenium is a member of CIMSMUSIC, that would lend significance in favor of inclusion. But to say so and so is a member of some obscure organization (cited reference: the obscure organization itsef) makes it undue. I'll see if @MER-C:, could comment as I think they maybe able to explain this better than I can. I am only pinging him as I seem to remember he participated on similar discussion elsewhere on Wiki discussion pages. Graywalls (talk) 22:50, 9 August 2022 (UTC)

Okay, fair enough. Let's see what they have to say. The stories about The Smashing Pumpkins and other bands that did in store appearances are pretty great and, IMO, they're a big part of what has made MM unique as far as record stores go. Constablequackers (talk) 12:27, 10 August 2022 (UTC)

If there's INDEPENDENT source not greatly reliant on employees/owners of Music Millenium that gets into this discussion on a platform beyond weekly tabloid press, it could merit inclusion. Graywalls (talk) 15:44, 10 August 2022 (UTC)

For lack of consensus and in light of what I have just discovered here, I am removing Coalition of Independent Music Stores source. Per https://www.opb.org/article/2022/04/23/portland-record-store-helped-launch-a-vinyl-renaissance/ Terry Currier owns and operates Music Millennium in Northeast Portland. The iconic record store opened more than fifty years ago. Currier says he started the Coalition of Independent Music Stores in 1995 to promote locally-owned record stores.. So, it completely fails independent secondary criteria. Graywalls (talk) 18:36, 14 August 2022 (UTC)

Agreed with the removal. MER-C 18:03, 15 August 2022 (UTC)

@Constablequackers:, I am troubled by this restoration which exhibits your pattern of waiting out a few months and over-riding with the version you prefer without further discussion from where you left off despite the fact you're aware of it as shown above. This edit is contentious, because the content has been challenged; and what you've added back is based on a source authored by and self-published by business' owner Terry Currier. This raises the question of NPOV and due weight, as writing from contents published by the business has tendency to emphasize and amplify things presumably wanted to be emphasized by the article subject business. Graywalls (talk) 19:40, 27 June 2023 (UTC)

possible sources

https://www.oregonlive.com/carlin/2010/12/terry_currier_and_music_millennium_the_growth_and_near-death_of_a_portland_icon.html https://web.archive.org/web/20170424235719/https://www.wweek.com/music/2017/04/20/how-a-portland-record-stores-feud-with-garth-brooks-helped-create-record-store-day/ Graywalls (talk) 22:52, 3 October 2023 (UTC)