Talk:Murtaugh (How I Met Your Mother)

Leeroy Jenkins

• When Barney accepts Ted's challenge and after they shake on it, Barney yells "All right chumps, let's do this! Baaaaaarneeeeey Stiiiiiinson!", a reference to the viral video starring Leeroy Jenkins, a player in the game World of Warcraft. In said video, Leroy is featured yelling "All right chumps, let's do this! Leeeerooooooy Jeeeeenkiiiiins!".

Why is there a citation request for Leeroy Jenkins? The link to the Leeroy Jenkins article should suffice, no? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.231.155.84 (talk) 18:04, 7 December 2009 (UTC)

For now I've just moved the Leroy Jenkins claim out of the article to here. Please gather sources/references here and we can clean them up and put it back in the article if they are good enough.

If someone wants to claim the Leeroy Jenkins article as a citation then putting it in a reference tag would help for starters. Redundant as it may seem it helps stop some of the more trigger happy editors who delete first and as questions later.

If we want to be extremely strict - and we probably should be - then this really should have an article or review of the episode that notes the cultural reference. Having a third party write about it would not just verify the link but establish that it was notable enough for a reviewer to mention (and such an article might be enough to add it to the Leroy Jenkins article). -- Horkana (talk) 19:49, 7 December 2009 (UTC)

From the edit summary:

EEMIV (talk | contribs) (5,972 bytes) (Reverted 1 edit by Hq3473; IMDb trivia is essentially a wiki, and not a WP:RS. (TW)) (undo)

Not even the 11 page review at Television Without Pity mentioned this. I seriously doubt any mainstream critic will see or mention the connection. Seems like the DVD commentary is all that might be left to show it was not just a coincidence. -- Horkana (talk) 16:40, 20 April 2010 (UTC)

Anonymous IP editors continue to add this claim, usually without even a link to the Wikipedia page explaining Leroy Jenkins and at no stage has any source be provided to show this is not anything more than coincidental. I remain skeptical of this but particularly since the anonymous editors have made little effort to discuss or explain this obscure reference of dubious notability, which makes it look like they are not even trying to find a source. There will come a point where I will move on to other articles and it seems the anonymous editors are determined to keep adding this point back. At the very least link to the article Leeroy Jenkins and be labeled as citation needed, as it really does need a better source. -- Horkana (talk) 22:58, 23 May 2010 (UTC)

Remove again

* When Barney accepts the challenge of completing every task on the Murtaugh List, he walks into the bathroom yelling 'Barneeeyy Stinson!'. This is a reference to the World of Warcraft character Leeroy Jenkins, who was a massive internet phenomenon.

I removed it mostly because it was already disputed but also because it is WP:PEACOCK and hyperbole to claim this minor meme as a "massive internet phenomenon" when no one has provided any references to show this is anything more than coincidence, not to mention a reference that claims it is notable. Also Leeroy Jenkins is not a even character but a fictional player. -- Horkana (talk) 15:27, 20 November 2010 (UTC)

Added again and again and again and again. It's a shame Wikipedia policy doesn't take repeated posting of the same thing as any evidence of popularity. I've removed it one last time.

It is a shame that the editors who insist on adding it have not made any effort to WP:VERIFY or show it is WP:NOTABLE and very few of the edits even bothered to link to the wikipedia page for Leeroy Jenkins.

Perhaps another editor will read this and fix whatever mess gets added to the article after I stop watching out for it. Best of luck. -- Horkana (talk) 23:52, 1 January 2011 (UTC)

McKraken

The name is an inside joke related to the title. When appearing on set, all actors have to sign in according to SAG rules. Mel Gibson does so as "Phil McKraken." Someone with more time than I do currently needs to find a source, but there's no way an episode named after one Lethal Weapon character could by coincidence have another named for after this joke. 24.24.244.132 (talk) 05:24, 6 October 2009 (UTC)

Not russian beer

I removed this bit

After Barney and Robin return from the rave, Ted says he found some Russian beer in the basement. The beer is Švyturys Ekstra Draught, a Lithuanian beer

and it was restored. I removed it not because it lacked a citation -- I see it pretty clearly -- but because it is, in fact, useless trivia. I'd appreciate the restoring editor (or anyone) offering some evidence of this being part tof significant commentary, and not just trivia about a prop decision. i.e. please answer the question, "So what?" --EEMIV (talk) 06:02, 25 January 2010 (UTC)

Mark it as needing a better citation before deleting it. The article is a work in progress far from finished and needs expansion, so I'd expect some time to be given, edits are not going to get further improvement if it is gone/deleted. The deletion wasn't explained by a good edit summary, no way of knowing what your intention was, now that you've made it clearer I could understand a deletion later if nothing else comes up. I'd really like if someone with the DVD could check to see if the producers say anything about it, but I don't have the DVD. Getting nationalities wrong is as odd as saying Budweiser is a Mexican beer, it seems like it might have been intentional and carried some greater significance (or it could just be an unfortunate bit of cultural insensitivity from the writers). I'd hope to look at reviews of the episode and find out more.

Incidentally think you'll need to take the whole "Leroy Jenkins" thing to the administrator and save yourself from this revert war, which cant be much fun for either of you. -- Horkana (talk) 04:54, 4 March 2010 (UTC)

Whiteboard

In the scene in McKraken's office, it can be seen that many entries of the "ALL TIME HIGH SCORES" are Barney's (bad quality video, so can't say if it's all of them). I'm pretty sure it doesn't fit as a cultural reference but don't think a section would be relevant either. If anyone wants to add this in the article...

Napy1kenobi (talk) 14:07, 24 July 2010 (UTC)

Crosspost: Catchphrase

Crossposting from Lethal Weapon (film series): There is a category for catchphrases. I've seen multiple references to the catchphrase "I'm getting too old for this shit" this week. The Supernatural S5 episode Good God Y'all! features an old African-American hunter saying "I'm getting too old for this". The episode of How I met your mother, Murtaugh, ( Murtaugh (How I Met Your Mother) ) also features it prominently. Where else has it been used? How many uses do we need for it to be notable? samwaltz (talk) 17:25, 13 October 2010 (UTC)

Reviews and 3rd party references are what you really need to get Wikipedia editors to accept it. Articles on the web, in magazines, or even better in books and published research journals. Pretty sure there is a guideline somewhere explain what the best sources are and WP:NOTABLE is a good place to start if you are trying to help show a phrase is well known in a way other Wikipedia editors will accept (but there's always a few deletionists who will go nuts about any pop-culture references and try to delete them and think WP:TRIVIA gives them an excuse to not even bother to request citations or dicuss before removing things). -- Horkana (talk) 15:40, 20 November 2010 (UTC)