Talk:Murdering Oscar (And Other Love Songs)/GA2

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Reviewer: © Tbhotch (en-2.5). 22:14, 10 November 2017 (UTC)Reply

GA review – see WP:WIAGA for criteria

  1. Is it reasonably well written?
    A. Prose quality (prose is clear and concise, without exceeding quotations, or spelling and grammar errors):  
    B. MoS compliance (included, but not limited to: lead, layout, words to watch, fiction, and lists):  
  2. Is it factually accurate and verifiable?
    A. References to sources (it also includes an appropriate reference section):  
    unsourced stuff
    B. Citation of reliable sources where necessary (including direct quotations):  
    mostly
    C. No original research:  
    D. No copyright violations:  
  3. Is it broad in its coverage?
    A. Major aspects:  
    B. Focused:  
  4. Is it neutral?
    Fair representation without bias:  
  5. Is it stable?
    edit wars, multiple edits not related to the GAN process, etc. (this excludes blatant vandalism):  
  6. Does it contain images (or other media) to illustrate (or support) the topic?
    A. Images (and other media) are copyright tagged, and non-free images have fair use rationales:  
    B. Images (and other media) are provided where possible and are relevant, with suitable captions:  
    Infobox-only
  7. Overall:
    Pass or Fail:  
Resolved comments from Tbhotch
;General
  • Several redirects [1]. I suggest you to update them and archive them to avoid dead links.
Infobox
  • Alternative country is mentioned here, but not in the body.
  • Same for the release date.
  • There are no lengths at "Murdering_Oscar_(And_Other_Love_Songs)#Track_listing" (they are needed for the "52:39"). Also their titles are meant to be quoted.
  • Ruth St. Records, ATO Records -> Ruth St., ATO (or ATO, Ruth St.) → "Records" is not utilized in infoboxes.
Title
  • It is displayed as "Murdering Oscar (And Other Love Songs)" but it should be "Murdering Oscar (And Other Love Songs)". This is an infobox error, and it can be fixed if you add to the infobox "Italic title = no" and you use the code {{DISPLAYTITLE:Murdering Oscar (And Other Love Songs)}}
Infobox
  • Chase Park Transduction Studios should be mentioned in the article.
Lead
  • "is the second solo album by Drive-By Truckers frontman Patterson Hood.", This is a Hood album, so his name is more important than DBT.
  • "The album's songs" -> Why not simply "The songs/Its songs"?
  • At Talk:Murdering Oscar (And Other Love Songs)/GA1 the reviewer asked "Aren't all guitar chords noisy?" Same here, but with additional issues: it is not mentioned in the body, and it is a WP:POV, so it requieres a source.
  • Link reverb to Reverberation.
  • "feature the piano" -> The: "a grammatical article in English, denoting person(s) or thing(s) already mentioned, under discussion, implied, or otherwise presumed familiar to listeners or readers."
  • "The album received mainly favorable reviews from critics, who praised it for being optimistic and mature in its handling of both positive and negative themes. Some critics also commended the album for addressing these themes in a compassionate and optimistic manner, and for being exceptionally personal compared to his previous work with the Drive-By Truckers. However, other critics criticized the album for being inferior to Hood's work with the Drive-By Truckers." This paragraph needs to be rewritten.
  • "Billboard 200 Chart." -> Billboard 200 chart.
  • You use the word "album" 7 times in the lead alone.
Background and recording
  • "the Drive-By Truckers were established[2]" -> "the Drive-By Truckers were established,[2]"
  • "weren't" -> were not
  • " to Chinese Democracy -> to Chinese Democracy
  • "in 2005 to its release four years later.[6] Hood has attributed this delay between the songs' recording in 2005 and Murdering's release four years later"
  • "who had previously performed with the Truckers as sidemen (as well as Hood's father David Hood)" -> the parenthesis adds the sense that Barbe, Johnson and Danbom are sidemen of both Hoods.
  • Ruth St. Records -> per WP:REDLINK " It is useful in editing articles to create a red link to indicate that a page will be created soon or that an article should be created for the topic because the subject is notable and verifiable." is it notable/verifiable enough to warrant a red link?
Music and lyrics
  • "Hood's new marriage," -> "Hood's second marriage,"
  • "Pollyanna," -> "Pollyanna",
  • "writing in PopMatters" -> writing in PopMatters.
  • "Woody Allen film Crimes and Misdemeanors." -> "Woody Allen film Crimes and Misdemeanors (1989)."
  • "Hood wrote the song "I Understand Now" about" -> needs a rewrite.
  • The sarcastic -> quotation needed, otherwise it is a POV.
  • Same for optimistic.
  • "bad-date" -> Isn't it "bad date"?
  • Mention that "The Range War" comes from Runt. The Ballad of Todd Rundgren (1971).
  • Text: ""She's a Little Randy" finds Hood in a silly mood."; source: ""She's a Little Randy" is Hood in a silly ... mood".
  • Text: " "Walking Around Sense" is addressed to the daughter of a dysfunctional rock star."; source: ""Walking Around Sense" (addressed to the daughter of a seriously dysfunctional rock star)".
  • Text: ""Back of a Bible" is about a man who writes a love song on the back page of a Bible"; source: ""Back of a Bible." It's about a guy who writes a love song on the back page of the Good Book."
Reception
  • "with a Metacritic score of 80/100" -> you are missing 'indicating "generally favorable reviews"'.
    • Alternatively, "At Metacritic, which assigns a normalized rating out of 100 to reviews from mainstream critics, it received an average score of 80, based on 13 reviews." works as well.
  • The word album is written 11 times.
  • link Jon Pareles
  • "critics when it was released, with a Metacritic score of 80/100.[13] Several critics"
  • "previous work" -> which one?
  • "raw immediacy;"[17] Similarly,"
  • "anomalously" -> WP:NPOV
  • while PopMatters' -> while PopMatters'
  • "that "The sound" -> "that "[t]he sound"
  • "#316", "#39" and "#153" -> MOS:NUMERO
  • 2009 Pazz & Jop -> The Village Voice's 2009 Pazz & Jop
  • Link Robert Christgau
  • 5th -> inconsistent use of MOS:NUMERAL ("its release four years later")
  • the Billboard 200 -> the Billboard 200
  • You need to reorder the reviews. For example
    • "Mark Deming said that the album's songs were "dark but compassionate character studies."[11] Greg Kot gave Murdering Oscar three stars out of four and wrote that it "maintains a certain raw immediacy;"[17] Similarly, Deming commented that the album "consistently cuts closer to the bone" than Hood's debut solo album Killers and Stars.[11]"
    • "An anomalously negative review came from Jesse Cataldo, who wrote in Slant that the album had "little variation and even less bite".[19]" can be merged with the paragraph below as Cataldo was criticizing its "little variation" due to "no Cooley here to act as a foil, and the meaty heft of the backing band noticeably absent".
Track listing
  • It lacks writers and a source. I thought Hood wrote all the tracks, but "The Range War" "is a cover of a Todd Rundgren song", so at least there should be a clarification here.
Personnel
  • Two columns, like this, look better than a single one.
  • Also, you don't need a period at the end of all these names.
References

For all of them use American dates (mdy format).

@Everymorning: I'm going to bed, but I will continue the review this afternoon. But I have a question, according to the article its songs were "written from 1994 to 2004 [and recorded in] 2005", but the album was released 4 years later. Isn't there information about the release? © Tbhotch (en-2.5). 09:13, 11 November 2017 (UTC)Reply

I have found it, but this needs to be present in the lead. © Tbhotch (en-2.5). 02:28, 12 November 2017 (UTC)Reply
  • Still working on music/lyrics section, but wanted to add some comments/questions here. First, according to the source cited for "Belvedere" being a "bad-date song", it does include the hyphen, so I'm planning on keeping it. (See "Hood admitted his bad-date song "Belvedere," also from the rediscovered batch, was about "a creepy guy"..."[3]) Also, the last 3 comments you added in the "music and lyrics" section are apparently saying that I should reword the text in the article b/c of close paraphrasing concerns, but I wanted to make sure that was what you meant. Everymorning (talk) 18:32, 12 November 2017 (UTC)Reply

OK, I think I fixed everything. Everymorning (talk) 16:25, 13 November 2017 (UTC)Reply

  • @Everymorning: You still missing the incosistent and incorrect use of dates (as I said, it is mdy, not dmy), the incorrect italics in some sources (like Metacritic, AllMusic, MSN, Robert Christgau, etc.)--use either |publisher= or {{noitalic}}. Also, Personnel section is unsourced (source 11 can help with that, this was my miss). © Tbhotch (en-2.5). 23:51, 14 November 2017 (UTC)Reply