Talk:Murder of Yang Xin

Only one crime described

@Duan Zuolin: This article says the subject committed "Crimes", yet it only describes the "Murder of Yang Xin". What other notable crimes has the subject committed on other occasions? If he has only perpetrated this one crime then the guidelines at WP:CRIME and WP:BLP1E apply to this person, as he is only notable for one event. When this is the case the general rule is to cover the event, not the person. Before developing this article further, please consider rewriting it as an article about the Murder of Yang Xin. See the guidelines for writing about WP:MURDERS, and WP:MURDEROF articles. - Cameron Dewe (talk) 08:55, 29 January 2023 (UTC)

Notable only for the murder

The subject of this article appears to only be notable for perpetrating the Murder of Yang Xin. The guidelines for WP:CRIME and WP:BLP1E advise that when a person is only notable for one event, then the general rule is to cover the event, not the person. - Cameron Dewe (talk) 08:34, 30 January 2023 (UTC)

Page move means a rewrite is necessary

@Duan Zuolin: By moving this article from the title of "Zhu Haiyang" to the title "Murder of Yang Xin", the topic and type of article also changes from being a biography of a living person to being an article about a criminal event. User Reading Beans has suggested that the article reads like a short story or news article in the state the article was in on 30 January 2023, and suggested the article be rewritten using different headings. There has been minimal change to the wording since then. Expanding this suggestion, I think the article should cover the murder with the article set out like this:

Background

Mention the previous Virginia Tech shooting, touching primarily on what changes were made to support for overseas students and the safety of students, generally. Perhaps touch on the institution's obligations under the Clery Act during that incident and compare with their reaction in this case. Also, give brief biographies of both the victim and perpetrator prior to the murder, explaining what courses of study they were both undertaking at Virginia Tech as well as other behaviour and events that occurred in their relationship that were later revealed at trial by witnesses. Moving this information out of the trial section, to before the murder, provides a summary of facts that are the precursors to the murder. This also means Wikipedia is not reporting the news but is providing a more encyclopedic summary of the facts.

Murder

Cover the murder itself, perhaps from the details of the weapons purchased on the day of the murder to the attack, the reactions of those in the restaurant, the 911 call, the police response and the perpetrators arrest. Include details about how the police fulfilled their Clery Act obligations to notify students of the murder occurring, perhaps contrasting this to what happened in the previous shooting at Virginia Tech.

Aftermath

Should cover the police investigation, as well as any related judicial processed, including the trial, conviction and sentencing. Also cover any learning that came out of this event or improvements that were cited compared with previous events.

Reactions

The reactions of the student body and staff are currently covered in the first paragraph of the Reception section. But the subsequent two paragraphs are really part of the police response or the aftermath of the arrest.

Restructured this way, presents the information in a more coherent way, that demonstrates the primary causal relationship of events better as a chronology. Readers do not have to jump back and forth when reading the article to understand what were the sequence of events and how the resulting outcomes arose. - Cameron Dewe (talk) 01:42, 5 February 2023 (UTC)