Talk:Muhammad Shaybani

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Shayban would have been long dead by 1482.. so that makes no sense. Changing it back to previous version. --Irishpunktom\^talk 10:07, 6 April 2006 (UTC)

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Origin and meaning of his name

The first paragraph is confusing, contradictory, and cites nothing to support the assertions:

"Muhammad Shaybani Khan (Uzbek: Muhammad Shayboniy, also known as Abul-Fath Shaybani Khan or Shayabak Khan or Shahi Beg Khan, originally named "Shibägh", which means "wormwood" or "obsidian") (c. 1451 – 2 December 1510), was an Uzbek leader who consolidated various Uzbek tribes and laid the foundations for their ascendance in Transoxiana and the establishment of the Khanate of Bukhara. He was a Shaybanid or descendant of Shiban (or Shayban),"

It seems pretty clear that he was named for his ancestor Shiban. The other "interpretations" and reference to the term "...'Shibägh', which means 'wormwood' or 'obsidian'" are not cited. Just now I checked several Mongolian dictionaries, but I can find no clear reference that would support this assertion.Jemiljan (talk) 13:55, 29 September 2019 (UTC)

Shibagh is the derogatory nickname given to him by Babur in his Baburnama. Uniquejaimee (talk) 15:28, 24 January 2023 (UTC)

Even so, the statement in the first paragraph is still inaccurate and contradictory. It says "originally named "Shibägh", which means wormwood or obsidian". But you indicated that its a nickname given to him by Baburinot his original name. Afshar-beg (talk) 16:59, 9 June 2023 (UTC)

Dispatch of gilded skull to Babur

I have found no record of this in the historical chronicles. The attribution of this to the David Morgan citation is non-existent and should be deleted. Uniquejaimee (talk) 12:52, 4 February 2023 (UTC)