Talk:Mughalsarai

Latest comment: 1 year ago by Fylindfotberserk in topic Name change

This is not a minor mistake

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DEEN DAYAL WAS DIED IN MUGHALSARIA SITA POWDEL (talk) 06:58, 17 December 2017 (UTC)Reply

Requested move 1 July 2023

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The result of the move request was: Not moved (closed by non-admin page mover) * Pppery * it has begun... 01:45, 10 July 2023 (UTC)Reply


MughalsaraiDeendayal Upadhyaya Nagar – common use after name changed officially ... Anubhavklal (talk) 17:36, 1 July 2023 (UTC)Reply

  • Oppose: 1) News sources - In the time frame - 1 July 2018 (after the name change) to 1 July 2023, "Mughalsarai city" gets 8 hits and "Deendayal Upadhyaya Nagar city" gets ZERO hits. I had to add 'city' since without it google lists everything associated with the two terms.
2) Book sources - "Mughalsarai city" gets 1,470 hits while "Deendayal Upadhyaya Nagar city" gets ZERO. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 20:51, 1 July 2023 (UTC)Reply
Need to search for "Deen Dayal Upadhyaya Nagar" – around 70 hits are there, esp. if other languages are added in Search settings. — kashmīrī TALK 21:47, 3 July 2023 (UTC)Reply
@Kashmiri: I don't think we are supposed to use other languages per this excerpt from WP:COMMONNAME - it generally prefers the name that is most commonly used (as determined by its prevalence in a significant majority of independent, reliable English-language sources) as such names will usually best fit the five criteria listed above.. Yes, we get some hits if "Deen Dayal Upadhyaya Nagar" is used without "city". That would be 7 hits of which 2 are in Hindi. None in the book sources using "Deen Dayal Upadhyaya Nagar". - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 09:15, 4 July 2023 (UTC)Reply
Book sources: precisely 107 hits (Why Google hit number is bonkers]) — kashmīrī TALK 11:18, 4 July 2023 (UTC)Reply
@Kashmiri: I still getting 8. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 13:56, 4 July 2023 (UTC)Reply
I meant Mughalsarai, sorry. — kashmīrī TALK 14:13, 4 July 2023 (UTC)Reply
It is worth noting that there are places named after Deen Dayal Upadhyay in other parts of India.-- Toddy1 (talk) 18:43, 6 July 2023 (UTC)Reply
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July 2023

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@Anubhavklal: Wikipedia:WikiProject_Cities/Settlements:_Article_structure#Notable_people clearly says "Names of notable people born or residing in the locality (not ancestry). Include only people with a Wikipedia article". Deen Dayal Upadhyaya article mentions nothing about him staying in the city. Only his dead body was found there. Stop contravening Wikipedia policies. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 08:48, 6 July 2023 (UTC)Reply

I do not want to engage in editwar so I leave it to other users to decide Anubhavklal (talk) 08:52, 6 July 2023 (UTC)Reply

User @Fylindfotberserk Pls do not make disruptive edits.

If there are any guidelines which prohibits an entry in this section, or makes it irrelevant, we can remove it. But deleting something unilaterally just because you don't like a petson is not desirable. Perhaps your hatred for the same person is the real reason for your opposition to page rename too. Anubhavklal (talk) 08:49, 6 July 2023 (UTC)Reply

This is not unilateral. It is a policy, I'm following it. YOur moves were contentious. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 08:51, 6 July 2023 (UTC)Reply
Wikipedia is based on policies and guidelines. If you think working in accordance with them is 'hatred', then you can find many articles moves that I've opposed and supported, which can be inferred as 'hate'/'love'. FYI, I was a member of the RSS in college. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 09:00, 6 July 2023 (UTC)Reply
You are free to member of any group but at Wikipedia, any membership doesn't give you extra privileges Anubhavklal (talk) 09:09, 6 July 2023 (UTC)Reply
I was member of the RSS that's why I'm 'hating' Mr. Upadhyaya? That would be a contradictory statement. Anyway, getting back on track, my edits were based on the policy above. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 10:18, 6 July 2023 (UTC)Reply

Moratorium

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Given the clear lack of consensus for moving in RfC above, and in view of our experience with Allahabad and incessant rename requests there from anonymous drive-by editors, I'd like to propose a two-year moratorium on moving Mughalsarai. — kashmīrī TALK 02:29, 9 July 2023 (UTC)Reply

Oppose : How does it help in improving Wikipedia?
If you have any valid reasons to retain the current article title and not align it with commonly used name, discuss that on this talk page.
Else let's keep the commonly used name as the page title, as that is the policy of Wikipedia.
If you have any evidence that currently used common name and the page title are same, please share that too. Anubhavklal (talk) 17:05, 9 July 2023 (UTC)Reply
And regarding Allahabad, if you have any evidence that Prayagraj is not the common name and not the right title for that page, discuss that too on respective talk page Anubhavklal (talk) 17:07, 9 July 2023 (UTC)Reply
ROTFL. — kashmīrī TALK 19:10, 9 July 2023 (UTC)Reply
  • Strong support for a two-year moratorium.
Fowler&fowler«Talk» 23:26, 10 July 2023 (UTC)Reply
  • Support two-year moratorium. Move discussions need to be based on evidence; an 18-month or two year period gives time for new evidence to happen.-- Toddy1 (talk) 07:15, 11 July 2023 (UTC)Reply
  • Oppose no need for a moratorium. It stifles active discussion. The place name has been changed and the wiki page is eventually going to be moved anyway one day in future. Let there be debate.–JayB91 (talk) 21:16, 11 July 2023 (UTC)Reply
The last moratorium for Allahabad→Prayagraj was 18 months. That figure was chosen because it would give enough time for search results to be noticeably different from those used in the previous move discussion. From the point of view of people who wanted the move to take place, this turned out to be very helpful.-- Toddy1 (talk) 12:32, 12 July 2023 (UTC)Reply
  • Comment:- Would support a moratorium of 18 months which was there at Prayagraj. Two years will be a long time. It might hamper a good discussion.
Shaan Sengupta (talk) 03:20, 17 July 2023 (UTC)Reply

There appears to be a consensus for an 18-month moratorium on page rename. The moratorium period thus runs from 9 July 2023 until 9 January 2025. — kashmīrī TALK 23:51, 20 August 2023 (UTC)Reply

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Requested move 20 August 2023

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The result of the move request was: Not moved. Request speedy closed in view of the ongoing moratorium on page moves (see the preceding section). (non-admin closure)kashmīrī TALK 23:56, 20 August 2023 (UTC)Reply


MughalsaraiDeendayal Upadhyaya NagarWP:COMM Anubhavklal (talk) 22:51, 20 August 2023 (UTC)Reply

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Name change

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Mughalsarai→Pt. Deen Dayal Upadhyaya Nagar Jmurravi (talk) 17:26, 7 September 2023 (UTC)Reply

  Not done See the 18 months moratorium above - — Preceding unsigned comment added by Fylindfotberserk (talkcontribs) 17:33, 7 September 2023 (UTC)Reply