Talk:Motorized bicycle/Archive 9

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I am interested in this subject and perhaps converting my bike to a power assisted one. I think it would be very useful to list sources for electric bikes and conversion kits.—Who123 03:04, 25 August 2006 (UTC)

I am wary of including commercial links because it opens up the gateway for every other electric bike/conversion kit manufacturer to post thier own links. What is "worthy" of being included in the external links section could prove troublesome later, especially since the industry is dominated by very many small players. I suggest you try google instead, keywords such as conversion kit electric bike and electric bike will give you sufficient results(yours truly got started with those keywords).--Chicbicyclist 10:36, 25 August 2006 (UTC)

Perhaps links to dominant message boards are appropriate since those are hard to come by even with google.--Chicbicyclist 10:39, 25 August 2006 (UTC)

I understand that WP is not for advertising. I think that the primary concern must be the reader. Once the reader reads this article they may become interested in buying or converting. Right now this reader (such as myself) is left without external links to find more information about products. I think because these products are hard to find that links to dominant message boards and/or dominant manufacturers/dealers are appropriate.—Who123 12:12, 25 August 2006 (UTC)

I second that proposition! Nevertheless, there is also a good point about opening the flood gates. That is why I support WHO123's proposition but with the obvious wikipedia restriction... So long as we conform to wikipedia standards and that the links we provide are relevant links to companies that may warrant their own wikipedia article or that are essentially notable! I wouldn't go posting my companies's name "CyclePat's Electric Motor Assisted Bikes" or my buddies web "Acclivity." www.acclivity.com. So yes, it's a good idea! Secondly I would also argue that we should be talking a little about those companies in this article. I mean we already have some links to Giant Lafree, Bionx, etc... --CyclePat 14:14, 29 August 2006 (UTC) (originally posted 14:08, 29 August 2006 (UTC))

I have continued with my interest in purchasing a bike or converting my old bike. At this point in time I am thinking about buying a "Giant Suede E electric bike" from NYCEWHEELS. I know that WP is not for advertising but this topic is so obscure that it is hard to find information. You may wish to include Giant and EZ as manufacturers at least. I am not affiliated with any of these companies. I am just trying to find the best bike for me.—Who123 18:18, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

Proposed merges

I, for one, think both merges should take place.—Who123 20:43, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

Another article (Series Hybrid Cycles) on the same subject has been found, and should be merged into this article. WVhybrid 17:14, 16 December 2006 (UTC)

I think that the topic of (Series Hybrid Cycles) will grow with time and should not be merged into the text of (Motorized bicycle). Technically, motorized bicycles are mainly parallel hybrids regardless of whether the propulsion is electric or by internal combustion engine. So series hybrids and parallel hybrids are distinct. Andreas Fuchs 29 December 2006 —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 85.3.32.128 (talk) 18:10, 29 December 2006 (UTC).

For the moment, merging Series Hybrid Cycles with Motorized bicycle would seem appropriate, but for this it would need to be shortened. Alternatively it could as Andreas suggests be expanded to generalise the concept and provide more information on existing vehicles. But then the title is too specific and should be changed to Electronic vehicle transmission or something.

Regarding Electric_power-assist_system, this article is far too basic to do justice to the large field and is in urgent need of considerable expansion. Perhaps Series Hybrid Cycles could then be merged into this. Maybe Motorized bicycle is the best target for all these merges, but the question is how long a Wikipedia article should become.

There is a further problem that there are quite a few related articles such as Electric motorcycles and Scooters, Battery electric vehicle, Electric vehicle and others having to do with this and similar concepts. The whole field really needs going over and perhaps some kind of portal page created, as several of these aren't correctly linked to each other. It's difficult to classify these vehicles. We have electric vs. combustion vs. human power, single power vs. hybrid, series vs. parallel, two wheels vs multi-track, lightweight vehicles vs cars, land vehicles vs boats and so on. --Theosch 11:30, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

Series hybrid cycles has since been deleted. I used some of the information and expanded the previous stub Hybrid-electric bicycle which is now also being considered for deletion. I've also noted that Pedelec was deleted following a lengthy disscussion. The merging of Electric_power-assist_system is still open. All these things are part of the same problem. This is a field with many facets which encourages forking. Guy is doing his best to prevent too much forking and/or redundancy and CyclePat is doing his best to prevent too much information being lost. Both these methods are necessary but coming from opposite sides seem to generate a conflict. This conflict has resulted in some good names being used as redirects and people using new poor names for new stuff. I think we can sort this out to everybody's satisfaction but it will take some time, quite a bit of work, and a kind of overall plan rather than fighting about individual articles. I've only come here recently but hope to be able to help out with this. I know quite a lot about small electric vehicles without having any business interests. I don't know so much about Wikipedia yet, but please bear with me. Anyway, yes, this merge should take place because the name "Electric_power-assist_system" is a bit cumbersome and non-descriptive. --Theosch 19:26, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

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It would be helpful to include a picture of a contemporary electric bike with small hub motor such as a Giant or Ezee.—Who123 10:46, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

Merge is a bad idea

Imho.

Otherwise this page will become lost within the much larger topic of the 'History of Bike'. Let's retain this useful info on its own page, i reckon.—Preceding unsigned comment added by 144.136.2.117 (talk) 10:20, January 26, 2007