Talk:The Motherland Calls

Title

I turned Mother Motherland into a dab page and cut out the Mother Motherland Is Calling. I am not sure that this is the best translation. Please discuss the title. `'Mїkka 17:21, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

Traduttore traditori. I would personally go for "Mother Russia is calling you". Another possibility may be the very free (traditore!) "Your country needs you" by Kitchener, but that loses most of its appeal without a Soviet flag behind the text. The original idea may be French, I think: "La république nous appelle, sachons vaincre ou sachons périr. Un français doit vivre pour elle, pour elle un français doit mourir" (today many replace "doit" by "sait"). The republic is calling us, let us show we know how to win or die - a Frenchman should live for her, a Frenchman should die for her". (Be careful, those at work: music!). Interestingly, there was also a version of the refrain to be sung by the mothers of the departing revolutionary soldiers. The "Russian" version of that would be "The Soviet Union calls you", but that would not do today, so I go for "Mother Russia". I agree that my version still googles badly. --Pan Gerwazy 17:49, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

No way it is "Russia". Like you say, it was "Soviet Union". "Родина-мать" is a culture-specific cliche, with numerous emotional loads. Like, "Uncle Sam needs you!", only different. `'Mїkka 19:14, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

The problem is that you've got "mother" twice now in your literal translation. As professional translators would say now you've "la laide fidèle" (instead of a belle infidèle) Time will tell whether people will transfer this to "Mother Russia". Have a look at the googles - some people are already doing it. The French example (which in my view influenced "Your country needs you", "Unclke Sam needs you" and "Родина-мать") did not just refer to France either, "la république" meant "Liberté, égalité, fraternité". In my view, the communists were ambiguous too, but in the other sense or direction. The French version was appealing to people's idea of freedom and equality to preserve France. The Soviet version was ambiguously appealing to Russian nationalism to preserve the Soviet Union. I have a recording somewhere of an Orthodox Moscow choir singing (in 1942, I believe) the national anthem of the Soviet Union (Stalin version). It is another example of this ambiguity. Some Western commentators, on seeing monuments like this one, are struck by this ambiguity, misinterpret it and say "this regime even conscribed the dead".--Pan Gerwazy 11:02, 14 July 2007 (UTC)

I concur with Pan Gerwazy. Mother Motherland is not a direct translation; if it were, it would be Motherland Mother. However, Родина-мать зовёт! was an oft used cry to patriotism, and it is impossible to translate word for word, but rather you need to look at the actual phrase in its entireity. There are really only two ways to translate the phrase. The Motherland is calling you or Mother Russia is calling you - Родина-мать of course being poetic symbolism for Mother Russia. What we really need to find is Soviet documents in ENGLISH from the era when the statue was built, or even from when posters such as this were common, and see what was used in English. I would be guessing that 'the Motherland is calling' would be used; as look at what the Germans would translate it as Mother Fatherland is calling (in German of course) - it wouldn't make sense. Or in short, Родина-мать is simply a personification of the Motherland (or Mother Russia) - depending on usage. I would therefore be in support of a move of the "Mother Motherland" articles to simply "Motherland" and disambig if need be. Also, it should be noted that the various "Motherland is Calling You" statues were inspired by the poster in the link above (which is probably worthy of its own articles on wikipedia) - more info here, in addition to RIA Novosti also translating it as "The Motherland is Calling You" [1]

Homeland-mother will be overly literal translation, for the phrase "Homeland-Mother" in English there is the word Motherland. I think that the confusion arises from the old, like a mammoth shit, cranberries(http://lurkmore.to/Клюква), what all the Russians say homeland - motnerland. So it turns out that homeland (Родина) = motherland (Родина-мать). Also, "you" is wrong to use, because the original does not appeal to anyone, the appeal goes to all at once. So "Motnerland Is Calling!" will be much closer in meaning than "Motnerland calls!"...Псс...а, оказывается, ларчик просто открывался...-- Rejf Krou 28.01.2018 17:03(UTC +3)

That disambiguation page should be edited to conform to the Wikipedia:Manual of Style (disambiguation pages). (Although I think I preferred the combined article.) Ewlyahoocom 05:55, 13 October 2007 (UTC)

Requested move

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The result of the proposal was Move to The Motherland Calls. Duja► 12:31, 15 October 2007 (UTC) Mother Motherland Is Calling → The Motherland is Calling — Mother Motherland is Calling is a word-for-word translation of the name of the statue, however, when translating from the Russian the entire context needs to be looked at and The Motherland is Calling is the more correct translation as Родина-мать literally means The Motherland (and in other contexts can also mean Mother Russia) —Russavia 05:13, 10 October 2007 (UTC) Survey Feel free to state your position on the renaming proposal by beginning a new line in this section with *'''Support''' or *'''Oppose''', then sign your comment with ~~~~. Since polling is not a substitute for discussion, please explain your reasons, taking into account Wikipedia's naming conventions. Weak Support. definitely better than the present one. But a (spelling) alternative may somewhat preserve the motherly idea: "Your Mother Land is Calling (You)". --Pan Gerwazy 15:18, 10 October 2007 (UTC) I switch my support to another one resembling this proposal: "The Motherland calls". That wins the google test hands down. --Pan Gerwazy 20:15, 13 October 2007 (UTC) Oppose Mother Motherland should be moved to Mother Motherland (disambiguation), and Mother Motherland Is Calling should be moved to Mother Motherland. Ewlyahoocom 05:57, 13 October 2007 (UTC) Mild oppose - Based on what appears to be the most commonly used name, following the Google results below, "Mother Motherland" seems the most likely option. Rename the current "Mother Motherland" to Mother Motherland (disambiguation). Magnetic hill 19:19, 13 October 2007 (UTC) Support the idea to remove duplicates. In Russian Родина-мать is a single idiom, and you can't translate them literally. Родина is closer to homeland, "the place where you were born", and the overall meaning of Родина-мать is most properly conveyed by The Motherland. I have no definite opinion on the verbal formation; "is calling" possibly is better, as the name represent a slogan used during the War, not a permanent conception; however, the Russian name also includes the exclamation mark, so The Motherland is calling! would be the most prudent translation (again, no opinion on capitalization). Notice also that in Russian Wikipedia, ru:Родина-мать is dedicated to a concept/slogan, ru:Родина-мать зовёт! to a poster that first used the phrase, and the statue is located under ru:Родина-мать (Волгоград), although ru:Родина-мать зовёт! (Волгоград) would have been better, IMHO. Súrendil 13:50, 14 October 2007 (UTC) Discussion Any additional comments: --Russavia 05:13, 10 October 2007 (UTC) Why not introduce some pronouns? "Your Mother Land is calling you", eg, immediately looks and sounds less typically Russian (though perhaps some want to keep that Russian-ness? --Pan Gerwazy 15:13, 10 October 2007 (UTC) Starting with "your" this is obviously a neologism, and as such cannot be the titele of a wikipedia article. Withdrawn. --Pan Gerwazy 20:12, 13 October 2007 (UTC) Comment If we base this on the most commonly used name, which is how pages should be named (according to WP:COMMONNAME), we get the following results from Google (including the different suggestions on this page) - 631 results - "Rodina Mat" 584 results - "Mother Motherland" 23 results - "Mother Motherland Is Calling" 6 results - "Mother Russia is calling you" 5 results - "The Motherland is Calling" 2 results - "The Motherland is calling you" 0 results - "Your Mother Land is calling you" I included "Volgograd" in the searches to keep the results specific to this statue, but if Volgograd is replaced with the former name "Stalingrad" then the above results are similar. Google isn't an exact test, but it's a good indicator and it shows the two most obvious choices. Magnetic hill 19:19, 13 October 2007 (UTC) Comment Normal google text searches aren't a good test, as you mention, as it is unknown how many of the "Mother Motherland" results are as a direct result of people consulting this article in finding an English name. Perhaps a more accurate search is by using scholar, books and news. Google news find no relevant results for "Mother Motherland", but finds plenty of relevant results for The Motherland is Calling. Google books finds plenty of relevant results for The Motherland is Calling, and only one relevant result for Mother Motherland. Google scholar finds a couple of relevant results for Mother Motherland, and a couple of dozen relevant results for The Motherland is calling. The only real question is whether it should be "The Motherland is Calling" or the "The Motherland is Calling You", and I believe it should be simply The Motherland is Calling as the statue is based on the poster with the same name which was used during the Great Patriotic War, in which it wasn't calling individual Soviet citizens, but calling ALL Soviet citizens. --Russavia 20:18, 13 October 2007 (UTC) Comment Magnetic hill, a correct google count does not count Wikipedia pages or wikipedia mirrors! That would be self-referencing. And you checked Stalingrad and Volgograd separately, but you should have OR'ed - otherwise pages where Volgograd and Stalingrad occur, get two votes! So let us do your work over, but adding the possiblity "calls " instead of "is calling": Volgograd OR Stalingrad "The Motherland Calls" -wiki -> 275[2] Volgograd OR Stalingrad "The Motherland Is Calling" -wiki -> 109[3] Volgograd OR Stalingrad "Mother Motherland Is Calling" -wiki -> 96[4] Volgograd OR Stalingrad "Mother Motherland Calls" -wiki -> 6[5] Volgograd OR Stalingrad "Mother Russia Calls" -wiki -> 62[6] Volgograd OR Stalingrad "Mother Russia Is Calling" -wiki -> 8[7] So, I think we should go for "The Motherland Calls". "The Motherland Is Calling", however, contrary to what you think, is actually the highest placed of the ones we checked until now.--Pan Gerwazy 20:44, 13 October 2007 (UTC)

Some one edit please

Ive added the last bit in the main article regarding the simularitys beetween Motherland state and the Winged Victory of Samothrace but im terrible at speling anyone want to lend a hand and edit it if anyone feel that its inapropiete for the article just delit it then --JvlivsCaesar 02:45, 4 November 2007 (UTC)

Another edit needed: Does anyone have the faintest idea what is meant by "It is understood that the sword, forged on the bank of the Urals, was later raised by Motherland in Stalingrad and omitted after the Victory in Berlin." (it is at the end of the lede)1812ahill (talk) 16:20, 11 February 2018 (UTC)

Removal of the following...

A exact scale replica is located in Glasnevin Dublin - Source: Ken's Magic Jumpers

Reason: The source is not linked anywhere and appears Bogus. Also I do not know of any replica in Dublin and have researched this fact too. If I am mistaken please add this back in with a link to the Dublin statue. --Mcgon (talk) 07:00, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

Tallest Statue

This page conflicts with List_of_statues_by_height, the Spring_Temple_Buddha is almost twice as tall. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Omicron91 (talk • contribs) 05:05, 6 April 2009 (UTC)

You're not familiar with the concept of grammatical tenses, I assume. LaFoiblesse 2009-05-08 21:02 (GMT)

It should probably be amended to be the second-tallest non-religious statue in the world, following the Statue of Unity in India, although that is so specific that one should wonder whether it's worth including at all. Or maybe put a time frame on it, like "until 2018". SeverityOne (talk) 07:27, 31 October 2018 (UTC)

Composition

What is it made of? And can we have more information on its structure and construction? Cs302b (talk) 20:03, 8 May 2009 (UTC)

5500 тонн бетона и 2400 тонн металлических конструкций. 37.194.189.130 (talk) 14:36, 18 December 2015 (UTC)Basilissa

Deletion notice

The lead image of this article has been nominated for deletion on Commons, on the basis that the statue is copyrighted and there is no acceptable freedom of panorama in Russia; see Commons:Commons:Deletion requests/File:Rodina mat zovet.jpg. If deleted this image may be re-uploaded here at a lower resolution under fair use. Dcoetzee 07:50, 14 May 2009 (UTC)

It would be nice to get that low-res picture in here. Unschool 17:16, 21 July 2015 (UTC)

Statue of liberty

In the statue comparisons, the Statue of Liberty is included at 93 meters; however, this includes it's plinth, with the statue itself being 46 meters tall; should this be changed to (using the style from the statue of David)

2. Statue of Liberty 46 meters (statue 46m + base = 93 meters)

115.124.4.18 (talk) 10:43, 4 August 2011 (UTC)

yes; if it was the World's tallest statue 1967 –1989, cannot be the Statue of Liberty tallest.Assianir (talk) 17:46, 11 January 2012 (UTC)

Larger non-Buddhist statues

The linked list of large statues includes two larger statues that are newer than "The Motherland Calls": a statue of Peter the Great, clearly not a Buddhist image, and one of two emperors of China, which probably isn't Buddhist. Superlatives are nice, but not at the expense of accuracy. Vicki Rosenzweig (talk) 05:27, 15 June 2013 (UTC)

Triptych

The sculpture is the second part of triptych consisted from sculpture in Magnitogorsk and sculpture in Soviet war memorial in Treptower Park Berlin. Someone should write a word or two abut it --95.82.220.34 (talk) 16:39, 20 June 2013 (UTC)

Sculpture name and translation

The phrase "The Motherland of my Birth is Calling" does not make sense. There is no word "birth" in the original name of the statue. "Motherland" is a good analog for russian word "Rodina". Secondly the statement "The duplication of the wording in the title "Mother Motherland" does not exist in the original" is not true: this is excactly how the first part of the statue's name sounds in russian. Paragraph "Sculpture name and translation" worth deleting.145.255.181.87 (talk) 18:26, 25 September 2014 (UTC)

Nobody replied so I'm deleting the paragraph... 145.255.180.190 (talk) 12:03, 26 September 2014 (UTC)

Rodina is a feminine word which is derived from the root "birth" - simply put, it's Personification Of Birth Country. It has no Mothers in it, which is why Russians are able to pair it with "Mother" in a poetic cliche "Родина-мать". Homeland Mother, like it's in the article now, is a fine compromise. AyeBraine (talk) 09:28, 8 May 2016 (UTC)

Structural problems need to change paragraph

http://v1.ru/text/news/257051762909184.html - Source. Monument will be restored in 2017-2018 year. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 93.81.203.161 (talk • contribs) 23:03, 2 May 2017 (UTC)

Thanks for interesting and important info, I added it to an article. But, next time try it yourself:) Jirka.h23 (talk) 07:17, 5 May 2017 (UTC)

Facts section

The facts section says that a replica exists in the "city" of Manchuria China. It most likely refers to a city in Manchuria, if someone would like to find it and edit that section.

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Section Deletion

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• The sculpture is depicted on the postage stamp of the GDR 1983.
• A copy of the sculpture is present in Manzhouli, China.
• The sculpture is also depicted on a 1975 one Ruble commemorative coin. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Beansohgod (talk • contribs) 13:38, 17 December 2021 (UTC)

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GA Review

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This review is transcluded from Talk:The Motherland Calls/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Nominator: Joeyquism (talk · contribs) 16:18, 28 June 2024 (UTC)

Reviewer: Jaguarnik (talk · contribs) 00:45, 29 July 2024 (UTC)

I will take on this review. Jaguarnik (talk) 00:45, 29 July 2024 (UTC)

Thank you Jaguarnik; I very much appreciate it. Looking forward to your review. joeyquism (talk) 02:43, 29 July 2024 (UTC)

Well-written:

Encyclopedic style of writing is maintained throughout the article, lead summarizes all important points of the article.

A few nitpicks:

• infobox says near Mamayev Kurgan, rest of the article indicates it's on Mamayev Kurgan

• Yeah, you're right. Just a bit of an oversight in parameter usage; I've fixed this.

• Despite the scale of the losses in Stalingrad, the battle was quickly mythologised in Soviet culture, why "despite"? I don't think the two oppose each other. Much of the Soviet/Russian narrative of the USSR focuses on the fact that the USSR lost millions of people for the cause against fascism; I don't have access to the original source so I don't know what the author meant to say.

• Removed the first clause. This reads rather strangely to me too after a bit of time away from it.

• Do brick, elevator, plaza, and banner need to be wikilinked? It seems unnecessary (see MOS:OVERLINK - everyday words should not be wikilinked.) Additionally, plaza links to "town square", which I don't think is the intended definition here.

• "Plaza" is synonymous with town square, so that is the appropriate link, in my opinion. The other instances of overlinking are pretty ridiculous to me too, so I've de-linked them.

• a decision that further intensified the already-excessive budget for the project. In my opinion, this sentence doesn't make sense, consider changing "intensified" to "increased"

• Good point. Changed.

• this was later changed to be a concrete statue of a lone Mother Russia - Palmer says on pages 390-392 that this change occurred in 1961, or at the very least, that Vuchetich announced the change in 1961 (although the appearance was finalized in 1962), I would mention this instead of "later".

• Changed to but was changed in 1961 to be a large concrete structure at nearly double the height - let me know if this wording suffices; I'm not exactly on my writing A-game right now, lol.

• The edit works well.Jaguarnik (talk) 22:06, 29 July 2024 (UTC)

• The planned sculpture also attracted criticism from Soviet writers, including Stalin Prize-winning author Viktor Nekrasov, I think it's irrelevant that he's a Stalin Prize-winning author, it wouldn't necessarily make him more of an expert on the subject. Personally, I would remove it, but I don't insist on it.

• Removed.

• the need to ensure the foundation's durability and soil stability, particularly given the presence of mellite clays on Mamayev Kurgan. Could more detail be given on this, for readers who don't have context for why mellite would threaten the soil stability of the foundation?

• Palmer states that This latter issue was particularly important given the high content of mellite clays atop Mamaev Kurgan. The hill's soil could provide a suitable bed for the structure only if its moisture content was kept to a minimum. I've appended the following: ...the hill could only support the structure if the moisture of its soil remained low.

• Rasul Akhiyaretdinov faced criticism from pro-Russian online circles after he petitioned on social media for Vladimir Putin to redesign the statue - again a nitpick, but according to the articles cited, he wasn't asking for Putin to personally redesign the statue, but to give the order to modify it. Additionally, I think it should be mentioned that a criminal investigation was opened against him (as per the article); it wasn't just criticism that he received. (There's also an article from Bloknot Volgograd about the criminal investigation against him.)

• You're right; it does read like he asked Putin specifically to redesign it. I've rephrased it as after he petitioned on social media for Vladimir Putin to order that the statue be redesigned. Do you have the source from Bloknot Volgograd?

• Bloknot Volgograd: Bastrykin gave the order to open the criminal investigation.

• Added A criminal investigation against Akhiyaretdinov was initiated on 10 May 2024 following orders from Alexander Bastrykin.

• due to the visible depiction of the statue's nipples depictions are necessarily visible, no? The phrasing feels redundant.

• Good catch. I've removed "visible".

• In the wake of the Russian invasion of Ukraine in 2022, a video game development company in Belarus was forced to remove the statue from its game after receiving backlash from users on Twitter. "was forced" feels odd here, as there wasn't anything like a government order to remove the statue; that can be removed.

• Changed to just "removed".

Source spotcheck

I don't have access to every single source, so I'll do a spotcheck of sources.

• Palmer, Scott (2009). "How Memory Was Made: The Construction of the Memorial to the Heroes of the Battle of Stalingrad". The Russian Review. 68 (3). Wiley: 373–407.

Citations 4-24; 26-35; 37-40; 45 were checked. I fixed some minor page errors; otherwise, all statements match the source and everything looks good. Y

• Riabov, Oleg; Riabova, Tatiana; Kleshchenko, Liudmila (2022). "'Save the Children!': The Symbol of Childhood and (De)Legitimation of Power in Russian Protests, 2017–21". Region. 11 (2). Slavica Publishers: 235–252.

Y Looks good.

• Sokolova, Evgeniya (5 August 2019). "Пластическая Операция для «Родины-Матери»: Ей Лечат Глаза и Руку" [Plastic Surgery for The Motherland Calls: Healing Her Eyes and Hand]. Е1.ru

Y

• Heintz, Jim (7 May 2020). "AP Photos: Memorials Weave WWII Into Russia's Psyche". Associated Press.

Y

• Serebryakov, Alexei (17 March 2021). "На Мамаевом Кургане «Родина-Мать» Покрылась Трещинами и Мрачными Пятнами" [At Mamayev Kurgan, The Motherland Calls Has Developed Cracks and Dark Stains]. Bloknot Volgograd (in Russian).

Y

• Statsky, Grigori (15 October 2010). ""Родина-Мать» Ушла на «Больничный"" ["Motherland" on "sick leave"]. V1.ru (in Russian).

Y

• Galpin, Richard (8 May 2009). "Russia's massive leaning statue". BBC News.

Y

• Bickerton, James (16 November 2022). "Fact Check: Does Ted Cruz Book Cover Feature Soviet-Era Monument in Russia?". Newsweek.

I'm hesitant about the Newsweek source. Newsweek is considered a questionable source per WP:NEWSWEEK, and while the policy is to judge each Newsweek article on a case-by-case basis, it is a bit questionable to me that no other sources covered the Cruz controversy besides Newsweek. Additionally, I think a few tweets on Twitter isn't really noteworthy criticism. ?

• Fair point, though I personally feel like it can be kept here as it's relevant to the subject matter. If Vacant0 objects, I'll likely just remove it.

I looked briefly at the other news sources, they all look fine to me.

Copyvio

None that I can see. Earwig at the moment of use was unable to use the search engine to look for copyvio. There's no copyvio from the sources used in the page - the highest result was 25.4% from the UNESCO site, but that's just because of the phrase "Battle of Stalingrad". All good here.

Broad

This article is very well-researched. Everything that I think would be relevant was covered, without being too detailed. Background of what led to the conception of the statue, the history of planning and construction, legacy, etc., all is covered and relevant.

Neutral

Y The style of writing is objective and neutral.

Media check

• All media included has relevance to the article, captions are correct.Y

• The infobox image of Motherland Calls has fair use rationale. Y
• 3D model of Motherland Calls has been nominated for deletion on the basis of potential copyright violation; that should be removed. (If the rationale is proven, there's no issue in adding it back.) Ultimately removed.

• What an unfortunate revelation! I've removed this one - the person that nominated it for deletion has claimed that the user who uploaded the file has a history of false licenses, so I'm apprehensive about keeping it at all.

• The Berlin Treptow image has permission. Y
• Winged Victory should be good. The law is "Photography of ancient monuments and antiquities that belong to the Greek State (all dating before 1453 and most dating before 1830 (Law 3028/2002, Government Gazette issue 153/Α/28-6-2002 articles 2 & 7)) is allowed to be taken for free when non-professional equipment is being used but publishing on the internet is allowed for free when no commercial or economical purpose exists." So this should pass. Y
• Image of Vuchetich has fair use rationale. Y
• Image of Motherland Calls under restoration has fair use rationale. Y

• Just a heads-up (and perhaps a bit of self-tattling): this is under a CC-BY-4.0 license. Russian freedom of panorama restrictions do not apply when "the work is an 'accessory compared to the main represented or handled subject'"; I believe that applies here, as it is not a close-up and the statue is represented as a component of the landscape (this is just the way I see it). Additionally, the image was taken by the Russian government according to the existing licensing, which makes it available under CC-BY-4.0.

• Image of the Manzhouli statue should be fine. As far as I can tell, Chinese freedom of panorama laws include statues. Y
• Volgograd coat of arms is not subject to copyright Y
• Volgograd stamp is not subject to copyright Y
• coin is not subject to copyright Y
• postcard is not subject to copyright Y

Overall

I'm really impressed with the article overall, and once the above issues are addressed, I see no reason not to pass it. Since I am still new at reviewing good articles, I will have a more experienced reviewer check this review for me, to make sure that I gave a fair review and addressed all issues. Jaguarnik (talk) 19:35, 29 July 2024 (UTC)

Will jump in and have a look at the review as a more experienced reviewer. Vacant0 (talk • contribs) 19:47, 29 July 2024 (UTC)

Hi Jaguarnik and Vacant0, thank you so much for taking on this review. I've addressed the comments above; feel free to let me know how I did and if anything else is needed from me. Looking forward to your responses. joeyquism (talk) 21:07, 29 July 2024 (UTC)

Good job on the article. The reviewer has also done a good job on addressing the six criteria. I do not have anything to add, so @Jaguarnik: feel free to promote the article to GA status. If you do not have it installed yet, you can use User:Novem Linguae/Scripts/GANReviewTool to close the GA review more easily. Vacant0 (talk • contribs) 15:11, 30 July 2024 (UTC)

Joeyquism: Congrats on the pass; thanks for bringing a vital article up to GA status. Jaguarnik (talk) 16:47, 30 July 2024 (UTC)

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Did you know nomination

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• ... that The Motherland Calls was designed to be taller than the Statue of Liberty in order to show Soviet dominance over the United States?

• Source: Palmer 2009, p. 394. "Eager to demonstrate the USSR's ability to surpass the achievements of its Cold War rival, he wanted the Soviet Union's largest statue to exceed the height of the American Statue of Liberty."

• ALT1: ... that the design of The Motherland Calls was inspired by the Winged Victory of Samothrace, an ancient Greek sculpture? Source: Palmer 2009, p. 395. "The resulting figure was clearly based on the 'Nike of Samothrace' (220-219 b.c.) the world-famous statue of the Greek goddess of victory."
• ALT2: ... that the company responsible for restoration on The Motherland Calls was later placed on a list of "unscrupulous suppliers"? Source: Translated from Russian: The company Glavzarubezhstroy, which carried out the controversial restoration of The Motherland Calls monument in Volgograd, has been added to the register of unscrupulous suppliers.
• ALT3: ... that a woman was sentenced to 10 months of forced labor for "tickling" the breasts of The Motherland Calls? Source: A court in the southern Russian city of Volgograd sentenced a 23-year-old woman to 10 months of compulsory labor on April 5 after convicting her of "rehabilitating Nazism." The charge stemmed from a 2023 social media video... in the video, Alyona Agafonova, a tourist from the mid-Volga region city of Samara, documented her visit to Volgograd and at one point, using a trick of perspective, playfully "tickled" the breasts of the enormous statue...
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Improved to Good Article status by Joeyquism (talk). Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has less than 5 past nominations.

joeyquism (talk) 18:29, 30 July 2024 (UTC).

• Article was nominated within 7 days of passing GAR. Article is long enough, adequately sourced, and neutral. Only pings on Earwigs are for some long proper titles and attributed quotes. Nominator is QPQ exempt. Hooks are interesting, cited, and short enough for DYK; AGF on paywalled sourced. I personally think ALT0 is the most interesting. Morgan695 (talk) 04:50, 1 August 2024 (UTC)