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Merge edit
I agree with Confuzion only PARTIALLY :
Mongol 1st Campaign 1231 dont need to be merged with Mongol invasions of Korea HOWEVER a short introduction of the first article to the latter need to be recommended, because the article is currently written and would grow little by little.
Regards Whlee 23:24, 28 August 2006 (UTC)
They should be merged. They are on a very similar topic. A good biological analogy would be two sub-species that branch out from the same species. They're so similar that they could reproduce. Plus, Whlee designed the other badly (no offense), and it needs cleanup anyway. --queso man 01:39, 16 September 2006 (UTC)
Below is the content from the Mongol 1st Campaign 1231, to be merged into this article after cleanup.
The Mongol Campaign in 1231, is the first of a series of campaigns led by the Mongol Empire against Korea then known as Goryeo, from 1231 to 1259, resulting in Korea becoming a tributary ally of the Mongol Yuan Dynasty for approximately 80 years.
Prelude edit
1221 : The Mongol Empire send a first embassy led by Temuge Otcigin, a brother of Gengis Khan, which is received at Songdo. She is followed by a second one led by Prince Alcita. Both of them sent a demanded for tribute to Goryeo, consisting of 10,000 pounds of cotton, 3,000 rolls of fine silk, 2,000 pieces of gauze, 100,000 sheets of paper of the largest size. Although the envoy who brought this extraordinary letter was provided commodious quaters and excellent foods, he expressed his dissatisfaction at everything by acting in a a very boorish manner generally. And when the envoy was about to go to audience with his weapons in hand, it was becoming apparent that the Mongols were likely at any time to make a descent upon Goryeo.
1222 : A wall was built near the Yalu river, extending from Uiju to Hwaju.
1224 : A Mongol envoy came modifying the demand for tribute to sea otter skins only.
1225 : The friendship between the Mongol and Goryeo was destined to be rudely broken and through no fault of the latter except the inability to keep the order in her own territory : Zhu Gu-yu (Chu ku-yu), the Mongol envoy, returning to the north, was set upon Goryeo highwaymen, robbed of the gifts which he was carrying home and killed. Thus all friendly relations were ruptured.
1226 : The Jurchens, recently belonged to Mongol "sphere of influence" , made an incursion in Goryeo in the vicinity of Eui-ju and were driven back.
1227 - 1228 : Jurchen incursions ravaged the northern part of Goryeo.
The Mongol Campaign edit
- Spring 1231 (8th moon) : Ögedei Khan ordered the invasion of Korea. A powerful Mongol army moved southward across the Yalu under the leadership of Sartai (撒禮塔) and took the fortress of Hamshin (Hangul : 함신진 Hanja :咸新鎭) near Uiju.
- 9th moon : They followed this up by stomring Sakju (Hangul: 삭주 Hanja:朔州) and Cheolju (Hangul: 철주 Hanja:鐵州) which ended only after the prefect had set fire to the house, slaughtered his whole family, and finally committed suicide along with his associates.
- The king of Goryeo, who did not intend to submit to the Mongol Empire without a struggle, sent Generals Park Seo (Hangul : 박서 Hanja :朴犀) and Kim Gyung-son (Hangul : 김경손 Hanja :金慶孫) at the head of a large army to operate against the invaders. They rendezvoused with all their forces at Gu-ju (Hangul : 구주 Hanja :龜州), the four gates of which were strongly barricaded.
- 10th moon : After failing to take to Gu-ju, the Mongols left this town and the Goryeo army undefeated in their rear and marched boldly southward, taking Gwak-ju (Hangul :곽주 Hanja : 郭州 ) and Sun-ju (Hangul :선주 Hanja : 宣州). From this point, the general Sartai (撒禮塔) attempted to negotiate terms of peace by sending a dissuasive letter to the king of Goryeo.
- The messenger who conveyed this letter got only as far as Pyung-ju (Hangul :평주 Hanja : 平州) where he was seized by the people and imprisoned. While waiting for an answer, the invaders tried another attack on Gu-ju but with no better success. Not only so they were badly defeated at An-buk fortress (Hangul : 안북성 Hanja :安北城).
- Reinforced by Jurchen troops, Mongol forces crossed the Taedong River and swept down to Pyung-ju to wreak their vengeance on that place where even yet the Mongol messenger with the letter for the king was languishing in durance vile. By a night attack they took the place, burned it to the ground, killed the prefect and slaughtered the population even cats and dogs.
- Then, under generals Pudao (Hangul : 포도 Hanja : 浦桃 or 葡萄), Díjù (Hangul :적거 Hanja : 廸巨) and Tang-gu or Tang-wu -a Tangut general- (Hangul : 당고 Hanja : 唐古 or 唐兀), the invaders advanced toward Songdo, soon appeared within its wall, and plundered the surrounding country to supply their troops.
- The king of Goryeo ask to negotiate terms of peace and sent rich presents to general Sartai (撒禮塔). Negotiations failed, the unsatisfied Mongols left Songdo and went southward to the center of the peninsula to plunder the rich province of Chungcheong.
Korea was a part of Mighty Mongol Empire. Nationalists wrote it —Preceding unsigned comment added by Enerelt (talk • contribs) 00:52, 5 June 2008 (UTC)
- Not really a part, but a vassal, tributary state and forced ally of the Yuan. Kublai's edicts in 1260 and 1266 explicitly referred to Geoyeo as his "eastern tributary" (东籓).--207.112.34.108 (talk) 16:28, 5 June 2008 (UTC)
In Mongolian prespective, both have same meaning.--Enerelt (talk) 10:37, 13 November 2008 (UTC)
- If we consider it more precisely though, we can still differentiate it from normal Mongol territories. It seems to have both the characteristics of a special dependency and a tributary state, but from different perspectives. But we can say it's a vassal in general, though under relatively stricter controls.--Choulin (talk) 20:53, 13 November 2008 (UTC)
Koreans paid tributes before invasions. But I can't say that they had been vassals until 1231. --Enerelt (talk) 10:35, 13 November 2008 (UTC)
Generals died in action edit
There are not only 2 known general died in action but more than 2. Despite Kitbuqa and Sariday, Chagatai noyan was killed in Armenia, Genghis Khan's son Khulgen died in Russia and others.--Enerelt (talk) 00:50, 12 May 2009 (UTC) Shikhikhutug died at the Battle of Parwan in Afghanistan, fighting the recalcitrant remnants of the Kwarezm. This statement tha only Koreans killed Mongol Generals is a specious nationalistic statement. Krusader6 (talk) 01:36, 22 April 2014 (UTC)
non-neutral view edit
Theres is a nationalist view of Korea. Unfortunately, there are still lots of books written in one-sided point of view without judging historical facts. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 202.131.1.11 (talk) 11:18, 6 July 2009 (UTC)
- I must agree with you that we should try to represent unbiased view as possible. The problem is nevertheless how do we (the community as a whole) know for sure which reliable sources give a biased view (on a particular topic) and which ones do not. Unless the sources themselves are clearly biased (i.e. the so-called biased sources), we cannot make such decisions by ourselves (as we are simply wikipedians, not historians or judges). In case there are obviously contradictory views among different reliable sources, the usual rule is to represent both views (i.e. not to judge which sources are "correct" or "wrong") in proportion to the prominence of each viewpoint, or to find some compromised wording to avoid biases in the article (the solution that often works well). BTW, in my opinion Korea was both a tributary, forced ally, and a vassal of the Yuan Dynasty (not simply a (symbolic) tributary state as in Ming Dynasty for example). --207.112.101.208 (talk) 19:46, 18 December 2010 (UTC)
- Further, it should be noted that Korea ruler was considered by the Yuan to be Chancellor of the Zhengdong Xingzhongshusheng and the King of Goryeo at the same time. The Mongol ruler adopted the traditional Sino-Korean relationship to grant the title of King of Goryeo to Korea ruler, but at the same time made it under its control (as a vassal) by establishing a special Xingzhongshusheng (sometimes translated as province) in the Korean capital. Kublai's policy was to make Goryeo felt like the traditional relationship was maintained (so that Koreans believed it was still independent), but at the same time vassalized the Korea ruling house so that Korea was under strong influence of the Mongols. It was not until 1350s that Korea gradually eliminated such influence from the decaying Yuan Dynasty. --207.112.101.208 (talk) 21:27, 18 December 2010 (UTC)
Reverting seems to somehow appear here again. But I think the word "vassal" or so is already very generic. If "A" cannot disobey what "B" says, then "A" is a vassal of "B", whether A is considered a constituent of B or not. Goryeo rulers during the Yuan Dynasty obviously understood this well, and definitely did not dare to openly disobey what Yuan emperors said (or else Goryeo would no longer be a client state of Yuan, but simply an normal internal territory of Yuan). Goryeo kings could not even disobey what Yuan princesses (who were around them) said, let alone Yuan emperors. --Enchyin (talk) 04:09, 7 March 2011 (UTC)
Please do not add large chunk of quotes in the section, especially when repeating them in different articles. Try to properly summarize them, thanks. --Chinyin (talk) 05:08, 19 December 2011 (UTC)
Contradictions in this article edit
This article is just one contradiction after another.
Koreans didnt listen. Mongols invade. They succeed, demand huge sums of money. Then their entire army leaves completely, LMAO.
This repeats itself 6 times. Someone here inserts a ton of lies or the Mongols are just really incompetent.
The biggest contradiction is that after the 6th and successful invasion, the captured king was forced to marry a princess and become King of the Mongol's Chinese territories. What kind of ridiculous punishment is that? You dont invade a country, win, and then force their king to marry YOUR PRINCESS.
Anyways my 2 cents. 142.150.48.162 (talk) 01:59, 18 November 2009 (UTC)
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Sources edit
Mongol domination
Semu men would marry Korean women.
A rich merchant from the Ma'bar Sultanate, Abu Ali, was associated closely with the Ma'bar royal family. After falling out with them, he fled to Yuan dynasty China and was granted an official job and a Korean woman as his wife by the Mongol Emperor.
http://books.google.com/books?id=GSA_AaRdgioC&pg=PA138#v=onepage&q&f=false
Koreans were included along with Northern Chinese, Khitan and Jurchen in the third class, as "Han ren".
http://www.academia.edu/7542628/The_Semu_ren_in_the_Yuan_Empire_-_who_were_they
http://books.google.com/books?id=sNpD5UKmkswC&pg=PA247#v=onepage&q&f=false
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