Talk:Momo (food)

Country of origin

Momo is a nepali dish poular in south Asian countries like India,bhutan,Bangladesh,Nepal and pakistan.Many people say their origin is from Tibet but it is a nepali food as mome means made by steaming in newari.It was brought to Tibet by a nepali princess named Brikuti.Momo is a dish of newari people of Kathmandu. Aaditya Basnet666 (talk) 04:03, 28 July 2023 (UTC)

Again this is unsourced. If you wish to prove a point then please find a reliable source of evidence. You can’t just say that people are wrong to think it’s from Tibet. AtishT20 (talk) 07:13, 31 July 2023 (UTC)

lol, Bhrikuti came to tibet as the chosen queen to spread buddhism, not momos TMQaham (talk) 04:24, 22 January 2024 (UTC)

Momo has nothing to do with Nepalese people or their culture. Momo word as per the Oxford dictionary has Tibetan origin and meaning. Momo was, is and will always be a Tibetan dish. Nepalese people have dishes similar to their Indian brethrens like Thali, dal bhaat etc,. 2A00:F29:2C8:B363:CDC4:8260:4FCC:B147 (talk) 22:49, 29 February 2024 (UTC)

Please stop edit warring over which country invented momos. Nepal and Tibet both have weak arguments based in folklore. If you can't come up with anything better than that, don't bother. Apocheir (talk) 01:21, 30 July 2023 (UTC)

Why is there a sudden change in the place of origin? The page remained fine and there’s no sufficient evidence to prove that momos came from Nepal. AtishT20 (talk) 07:12, 31 July 2023 (UTC)

The references cited on this page did not support attributing their origin exclusively to Tibet or Nepal. The best thing to do in that case is to present both viewpoints and point out that the evidence is inconsistent. Apocheir (talk) 21:35, 31 July 2023 (UTC)

This still does not mean that we can include that Nepal is one of the countries of origin. AtishT20 (talk) 21:46, 9 August 2023 (UTC)

Please stop this nationalist edit warring. If the cites don't definitively settle the issue, neither can the Wikipedia article. We can either keep the 'or' version, or we can remove both claims entirely. We cannot have the article pick a side by choosing only one. MrOllie (talk) 22:05, 9 August 2023 (UTC)

This has nothing do to with Nationalism. I’m not Tibetan so your point is invalid. AtishT20 (talk) 08:50, 10 August 2023 (UTC)

The reference [1] that asserts that momos originated in Nepal is of poor quality, but the references asserting that momos originated in Tibet are no better. Apocheir (talk) 01:16, 10 August 2023 (UTC)

Change place of origin from Tibet and Nepal to just Tibet as it is the origin of the food. No matter if the food is popular and widely consumed in Nepal it's still not the place of origin, with that logic Bhutan or even India should make it in that list. The whole sentence of "Momos are usually served with a sauce known as achar influenced by the spices and herbs used within many South Asian cuisines." only really applies to Nepali momo so that should be clarified or omitted completely. The whole introduction seems to give a great emphasis on Nepali aspects which are not even traditional, and are made to seem the norm for all momo. Momos should just be momo too. Nyidonla (talk) 11:26, 13 December 2023 (UTC)

 Not done for now: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the {{Edit semi-protected}} template. M.Bitton (talk) 13:35, 13 December 2023 (UTC)

There is no debate on the origin of momo. It simply originated in Tibet and is now consumed in Nepal, Bhutan, and India. With your logic you should include all of those countries too. Appeasing both sides will create inauthenticity, just date back the history and simple logistics. Dumplings originated in China (if you argue that this too will create a war then why are you even editing wiki pages) and Tibet created its own version (just like Mongolia, Japan, Korea, etc) and this was then introduced to Nepal just like Bhutan. Bhutan has just as much history of eating momo as Nepal but I don't see you putting Bhutan in the origin? What if Bhutanese nationalists were to argue over that? You simply can't please any country who wants claim over a dishes origin as you would then have to appease all. You can simply state that it is widely consumed in Nepal after its popularity there. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nyidonla (talk • contribs) 11:36, 13 December 2023 (UTC)

Plural of Momo

Please changes Momos to Momo. Plural of Momo is Momo itself not Momos, I would appreciate if you make those changes. 138.88.55.178 (talk) 07:35, 20 September 2023 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Apocheir (talk) 21:17, 20 September 2023 (UTC)

EVEN ON WIKIPEDIA YOU ARE WRITING FALSE INFORMATION. MOMO IS ALREADY PLURAL. 20 MOMO IS MOMO. NOT 20 MOMOS. WHEN YOU EAT 20 SUSHI YOU DONT SAY SUSHIS. MOMO IS THE SAME!! FIX THE PAGE. 184.147.234.158 (talk) 02:55, 10 November 2023 (UTC)

The Times of India, Kathmandu Post, and New York Times disagree with you. Also, nobody says they ate 20 sushi, they say they ate 20 pieces of sushi. Apocheir (talk) 03:35, 10 November 2023 (UTC)

Well then call them 20 pieces of momo?? What's the difference between Sushi and momo? They're both non-English words. Yeah the difference is they're different kinds of food. Yuthp (talk) 00:20, 28 January 2024 (UTC)

Its momo not momos. Singular momo, plural momo. 2001:464C:D1E7:0:54C5:604A:E1A6:5135 (talk) 13:52, 22 January 2024 (UTC)

Since momo is a proper noun, because it is the name of a Tibetan/Nepali dish, we cannot add '-s' after momo. And since "momo" is not an English word, we cannot add '-s' after momo since it adheres to English grammar rules. Similar examples are panipuri, sushi, gimbap, etc where we do not add '-s' after the dish name even if the dishes are served in more than one piece. Also, I haven't seen Wikipedia using plural form for other types of dumplings like gyoza/jiaozi. Yuthp (talk) 00:18, 28 January 2024 (UTC)

I think you've confused a proper noun with a mass noun. Anyways, please provide a reliable source to support your claims. Apocheir (talk) 00:53, 28 January 2024 (UTC)

This newspaper article The Rising Nepal might be a reliable source for the origin of momo and the name for plural form too, since The Rising Nepal is a Nepalese government-owned newpaper. Yuthp (talk) 01:14, 28 January 2024 (UTC)

That article is inconsistent in how it pluralizes momo. It uses "momos" 11 times. Besides, why is The Rising Nepal any more authoritative than The Kathmandu Post, which uses "momos" consistently? See [2] and [3]. The Times of India also uses "momos", for example in [4]. So does the New York Times: [5], [6]. Apocheir (talk) 19:06, 28 January 2024 (UTC)

Momo is not an English word, just like sushi is not. Someone in this page presented an arguement replying you about how you call it 20 pieces of sushi and not sushis, that's exactly how is is meant to be called, "20 pieces of momo" instead of using it as a collective noun as "momos".

Some media using momos as plural doesn't mean it is momos. There are also medias that use momo instead of momos. If you can see, even the wikipedia page is named momo, and not momos, why? Because it is momo, for the whole duration of this page in wikipedia, it was momo until only very recently. Can you also look at the title/URL of this page? It's momo, certainly because whoever created this page back in the day when momo was not that popular outside of Tibet and Nepal, knew how it should be called because the word was not anglicized back then. So, why this edit now? If you can see, literally everyone is opposing you here in this talk page insisting that it should be called momo. I don't know why and how you decided to change the main terminology of the whole page, please look at the URL and title, and old age history of this page. It was always momo, at least for the majority of time.

Please present some counter arguements. Thanks! Niraularohan (talk) 13:24, 16 April 2024 (UTC)

Why don't you present some reliable sources supporting your opinions instead. Apocheir (talk) 23:00, 16 April 2024 (UTC)

Is this an India vs. Nepal thing? Is that why you and the other editors are so concerned about it? Apocheir (talk) 23:03, 16 April 2024 (UTC)

This article should be unprotected

No reason for it to be protected. 2605:8D80:404:F141:3907:DEAB:E9B7:87C5 (talk) 04:26, 9 January 2024 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 17 January 2024

Change alternative names to "མོག་མོག, मःमः" changing the devanagari version from म:म: (with colons) to मःमः (with Visarga) SwaGiri (talk) 15:27, 17 January 2024 (UTC)

Done, and thank you for pointing this out. Apocheir (talk) 17:04, 18 January 2024 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 19 March 2024

It's not momos, please correct that. "Momos" name is not acceptable form of name and never existed before. It must be Momo or Mo:mo. Thank you 142.113.184.211 (talk) 04:29, 19 March 2024 (UTC)

 Not done: See the note in the lede RudolfRed (talk) 05:01, 19 March 2024 (UTC)