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Reviewer: shaidar cuebiyar ( talk | contribs ) 09:00, 2 March 2010 (UTC) Review finally done.

• Link check results. Problem with this link. Not found by link checker.

• I'd already replaced that link with one from the Wayback Machine as it looks like they've taken the article off the website. Is that acceptable? I've just noticed another one that's dead though, so I'll look for an alternative.--BelovedFreak 11:55, 2 March 2010 (UTC)

• DAB links check. No problems.
• Automatic peer reviewer. Has some suggestions.

• Not sure if this is out of date, but I don't see any {{fact}} tags.--BelovedFreak 11:55, 2 March 2010 (UTC)

• Yeah, looks like you're right. Ignore any out-of-date advice.shaidar cuebiyar ( talk | contribs ) 21:08, 2 March 2010 (UTC)

• Alt text from images. NOTE: not compulsory for GA. However see below and WP:ALT for suggestions if you wish.

Done --shaidar cuebiyar ( talk | contribs ) 23:54, 6 March 2010 (UTC)

Criterion 1

A good article is—

1. Well-written:

(a) the prose is clear, concise, and understandable to an appropriately broad audience; spelling and grammar are correct; and

(b) it complies with the Manual of Style guidelines for lead sections, layout, words to watch, fiction, and list incorporation.

Prose and grammar

• I'm using an Australian English dictionary/grammar checker.

1. "playlist" play list
2. "Kool Skools project which enables" Kool Skools project, which enables
3. "an international record deal with" an international recording deal with
4. "Higigns continued touring in mid-2005" Higgins continued touring in mid-2005
5. "impression on her and she later said "It was" impression on her and she later said, "It was
6. "Concert For the Cure" Concert for the Cure
7. "She was joined on some of the dates by You Am I lead singer Tim Rogers.[44]" You Am I lead singer, Tim Rogers, joined her on some shows.[44]
8. "On a Clear Night, was released in the US on 26 February 2008 with a tour in March to coincide with the release." On a Clear Night, was released in the US on 26 February 2008, supported by a tour in March.
9. "In June 2008 Higgins was voted #48 in The 2008 AfterEllen.com Hot 100; a list of the "hottest/most beautiful women" chosen by readers of the lesbian-focused website.[51] In April 2009, she made the AfterEllen.com Hot 100 list again, this time at #42.[52]" In June 2008, Higgins was voted in The AfterEllen.com Hot 100—a list of the "hottest/most beautiful women" chosen by readers of the lesbian-focused website—at No. 48 and again in April 2009 at No. 42.[51][52]
10. "Higgins is a vegetarian; She appeared" Higgins is a vegetarian; she appeared
11. "Myspace" MySpace
12. She says "It's the first She says, "It's the first

I've made all these changes. --BelovedFreak 11:50, 2 March 2010 (UTC)

Done --shaidar cuebiyar ( talk | contribs ) 23:58, 6 March 2010 (UTC)

Infobox

1. "Img_capt = Missy Higgins performing at the Majestic Theater in Madison, Wisconsin, 10 July 2008" Img_capt = Missy Higgins, Majestic Theater, Madison, Wisconsin, 10 July 2008 Consider a line break after Theater,
2. "Origin = Melbourne, Victoria, Australia" Origin = Melbourne, Victoria, Australia
3. "Instrument = Vocals, piano, guitar, melodica<ref name=melodica />" Instrument = vocals, piano, guitar, melodica Infobox is a summary: you should make mention of melodica (and ref it) somewhere in main text. Consider adding synthesiser or digital piano (maybe replacing piano?)

   Although I can find pictures, video clips and anecdotal blog concert-reveiews mentioning her playing the melodica, I can't find any significant coverage, or explanation or specific times she's used it, or how often she plays it, so might have to remove it altogether. Also, I can't see much on using synthesiser either, vs. piano.--BelovedFreak 17:17, 4 March 2010 (UTC)

   Digital piano (specifically a Roland RD-300SX, is described here) and is the one being used in second photo in article. By 2005 (post-ARIAs) she's using a RD-700 (sometimes with an SRX11 expansion), see here, she also uses a digital baby grand (KR-15, also by Roland). The upshot of all this is that the more generic synthesiser could be used or the precise digital piano. Consider adding following to infobox, (just below URL) | Notable_instruments = [[Roland Corporation|Roland RD-700]], [[Maton]]

4. "Genre = Pop" Genre = pop
5. "Occupation = Singer-songwriter" Occupation = singer-songwriter, musician Consider adding actor if film/TV roles are notable enough.
6. "Label = [[Eleven: A Music Company]]<br />[[Warner Bros. Records|Warner Bros.]] (US)" Label = [[Eleven: A Music Company|Eleven]]<br />[[Warner Bros. Records|Warner]]
7. "URL = [http://www.missyhiggins.com/ www.missyhiggins.com]" URL = [http://www.missyhiggins.com/ missyhiggins.com]

all done except no. 3 for now. I'll have a think about how best to address that.--BelovedFreak 16:21, 2 March 2010 (UTC)

Done --shaidar cuebiyar ( talk | contribs ) 00:00, 7 March 2010 (UTC)

Lead

Unless otherwise indicated, maintain formatting and wikilinkage from original.

1. Missy Higgins (born Melissa Morrison Higgins 19 August 1983[2]) Melissa "Missy" Morrison Higgins (born 19 August 1983) Reference her birth date later. If concerned by the reliability of AskMen.com try on-line version of Who's Who in Australian Rock [Missy HIGGINS] entry or the Ziffer article (page 3) in current ref3.
2. "is an Australian pop singer-songwriter," is an Australian pop singer-songwriter, musician and actor,
3. "best known for her albums The Sound of White and On a Clear Night, and the hit singles "Scar", "The Special Two", "Steer" and "Where I Stood"." her hit albums are The Sound of White (2004) and On a Clear Night (2007), with her hit singles being "Scar", "The Special Two", "Steer" and "Where I Stood".
4. "Born in Melbourne to a musical family, Higgins played the piano and sung from an early age." From a musical family in Melbourne, she played piano by age six and sang at twelve.
5. "While at boarding school, she wrote a song for a music assignment which was subsequently entered into a national radio competition for unsigned artists." While boarding at Geelong Grammar School, she wrote a song for an assignment which was then entered into the national Unearthed radio competition for unsigned artists. Currently teases reader with 'where did she board?' and 'which competition' rather than summarise the relevant main text.
6. "Higgins won the competition and got recording contracts with Eleven and Warner Bros." Higgins won and signed recording contracts with Eleven and Warner Bros.
7. "After taking time off to go backpacking in Europe, she recorded her first album The Sound of White, which was released in 2004." After taking time off, backpacking in Europe, she recorded her first album The Sound of White. Release year already summarised in my changes above.
8. "The album, and its first single, "Scar" both went to #1 on the ARIA Charts. "The Special Two" went to #2." The album, and its first single, "Scar" both went to No. 1 on the relevant ARIA Charts. "The Special Two" went to No. 2. Same for subsequent uses of # for No.  Note: edit window here.
9. "Higgins was nominated for five ARIA Music Awards that year and won the award for Best Pop Release for "Scar". In 2005 she was nominated for seven ARIA Awards and won five." Higgins was nominated for five ARIA Music Awards that [[ARIA Music Awards of 2004|year]] and won 'Best Pop Release' for "Scar". In [[ARIA Music Awards of 2005|2005]] she was nominated for seven more awards and won five. She won her seventh ARIA in [[ARIA Music Awards of 2007|2007]]. Keeps all ARIA awards in same section: modify next paragraph to suit.
10. "In 2006, she wrote new material for her second album, and following a US tour she recorded On a Clear Night. It was released in April 2007, giving her another #1 single with "Steer" and the ARIA Award for Best Female Artist." In 2006, Higgins wrote new material for her second album, and following a US tour she recorded On a Clear Night, which gave her another No. 1 single with "Steer".
11. "Higgins has experienced significant success in Australia with several tours and performances in high-profile events Live Earth and WaveAid." Specify the type of success (and in what particular way was it significant?) being described here. You've already discussed chart and award success earlier in the Lead. Give year(s) for Live Earth and WaveAid. Change "high-profile events" high-profile charity events

    Hmmm, this is a bit vague, and just filling space really, I guess. I can't think of any other way to specify her success, so should probably just delete that bit - do you think?--BelovedFreak 19:01, 2 March 2010 (UTC)

    If you have articles on her tours/concert receptions then try Higgins has conducted several well received Australian tours and performed at Something on her public reception/touring should be in the Lead.

    I've added that to the lead; does it need more later on to back that up, or is it ok?--BelovedFreak 00:28, 7 March 2010 (UTC)

12. "She has toured internationally and lived and worked in the United States." When? 'lived & worked' bit.

    I'm not sure exactly to be honest, I've pieced a lot together from different articles and interviews, so I can't say for sure that she lived there "from ... to ..." I could mention specific times she was living there, but that would probably look a bit patchy and may not be entirely accurate if missing out time she's lived there but not mentioned it in the press. Shall I leave it out of the lead altogether?--BelovedFreak 19:01, 2 March 2010 (UTC)

    Sams at current ref 39 claims she's going to live there for six months in start of 2008. So try lived and worked in the United States during early 2008. If different sources give different dates then a consensus similar to this can be used. If 'for six months' is common to two or more sources then pop it in place of 'during early'.

    10 months, apparently.--BelovedFreak 20:19, 3 March 2010 (UTC)

13. "Her song "Where I Stood" has been used in several television shows." Specify TV shows (if actually seven or more shows then chose most widely known two or three).

    Before I change this bit I just want to check what you think's best. The song has featured in several tv shows. I mention three later on in the article; I had mentioned more but cut it down thinking that maybe it was unnecessary and better to mention them all in the song article. (I see I haven't got around to doing that yet, but the song article mentions about eight at the moment.) So, so you think I should in fact mention all the TV shows - in the article and also in the lead? Or get rid of "several" from the lead? Trouble is, if I list them all, I can't be sure that I have a complete list because I'm working from several sources. Or does that matter? IMDb doesn't list them all and I don't think her official site does either.--BelovedFreak 19:01, 2 March 2010 (UTC)

    I'm thinking of two or three in the Lead to summarise the two or three you've got later. A complete list is not needed for this one song in the Missy Higgins article: put rest in the song's article (if anywhere). In the main text try to find the best ref for the two or three you've mentioned. So try something like Her song "Where I Stood" featured in US series including Grey's Anatomy, One Tree Hill and So You Think You Can Dance.

14. "endeavouring to make all of her tours carbon neutral" endeavouring to make her tours carbon neutral.
15. "She is also the patron of an Australian mental health charity." She is a patron of One in Five, an Australian mental health charity. Note: no wikilink on One in Five.
16. "In 2007, following press speculation about her sexual orientation, she came out as bisexual." In 2007, following years of press speculation about her sexual orientation, she came out as bisexual. Seems to have been speculation since 2004 (at least). Consider adding a phrase indicating reason for refusing to talk about her sexuality or her indication that she prefers interviews to be about her music.
17. "In 2009 she made her acting debut in Australian feature Bran Nue Dae." In 2010, she made her acting debut in a feature film, Bran Nue Dae, and performed on the related soundtrack. Her scenes were filmed in 2009 but movie wasn't released till mid-January 2010? By now the Australian is implicit, any other nationality would be identified.

Done --shaidar cuebiyar ( talk | contribs ) 05:57, 7 March 2010 (UTC)

Early life

1. "Missy Higgins was born 19 August 1983 in Melbourne, Victoria to an English-Australian doctor and an Australian childcare centre operator.[2]" Melissa "Missy" Morrison Higgins was born 19 August 1983 in Melbourne, Victoria to Christopher Higgins, an English-Australian general practitioner, and Margaret (née Morrison), an Australian childcare centre operator.[2][3] Make sure refs 2&3 cover her full name, place & d.o.b. and parents' jobs/nationalities & names.

   just need to source place of birth.--BelovedFreak 20:29, 3 March 2010 (UTC)

   Refs [2] and [3] don't mention Melbourne as place of birth, I've added one that does, but it's looking a bit cluttered now with three refs.--BelovedFreak 17:09, 4 March 2010 (UTC)

   I thought "Youngest of three children of a Melbourne doctor" in Ziffer and "they returned to Victoria, to Armidale [sic] where they still live and quickly had a son, David, now 30. Melissa Morrison (her mothers maiden name) Higgins, the afterthought, followed six years later." in Ovenden was sufficient for place of birth. In case you don't know Armadale is a suburb of Melbourne only 8km from city centre. Furthermore you should mention her primary school by name—its where she performed Dreamcoat.shaidar cuebiyar ( talk | contribs ) 22:16, 5 March 2010 (UTC)

   Cool. No, I did not know that Armadale is part of Melbourne, so thanks!

2. "She has an older sister, Nicola and an older brother, David.[3]" Her sister, Nicola is seven years older, and brother, David is six years older.[3]
3. "She learned to play classical piano from age six, following in the footsteps of her general practitioner father and her brother and realised she wanted to be a singer at about 12 when she appeared in a school production of Andrew Lloyd Webber musical Joseph and the Amazing Technicolor Dreamcoat.[4]} She learned to play classical piano from age six, following in the footsteps of Christopher and David, but realised she wanted to be a singer at about 12 when she appeared in a school production of Andrew Lloyd Webber's musical Joseph and the Amazing Technicolor Dreamcoat.[4]
4. "It was about this time that she gave up playing the piano, bored of being "forced to practise."[5]" Bored with practice, she gave up playing piano at that time.[5]
5. "Hoping for more freedom than she had at home, she begged her parents to send her away to Geelong Grammar School, the independent boarding school that her siblings had previously attended." Hoping for more freedom, she urged her parents to send her to Geelong Grammar School, an independent boarding school attended by her siblings.
6. "Somewhat introverted at school, she found that practising the piano helped her to cope with the "intensity" of being at boarding school.[5] " Being introverted, she found piano practice helped her cope with living at boarding school.[5]
7. "At Geelong she took up the piano again, this time playing jazz. [...] At weekends she performed in her brother's jazz group.[6]" At Geelong she took up the piano again, this time playing jazz including performing with David's group on weekends.[6] This combines two relatable sentences. Probably best placed before "Being introverted..." sentence.
8. "she wrote "All for Believing"" Needs a independently reliable source as her writing of this song is pivotal to the start of her career. Consider APRA with <ref name="APRA Believing">{{cite web|publisher=[[Australasian Performing Right Association]] (APRA)|title="All for Believing" at APRA search engine|url=http://www.apra-amcos.com.au/worksearch.axd?q=All%20for%20Believing|accessdate=4 March 2010}}</ref> Note: this ref also gives her full name and verifies her performance name.
9. "The song earned her an A for the assignment, and the chance to perform in front of her classmates." The assignment earned an A and she performed her song in front of classmates.
10. "She followed the advice of a family friend and went to a Melbourne record company, but they wanted more than the one song she had to offer.[5] Upon approaching a Melbourne record company, she was told that they wanted more than one song.[5]
11. "In 2001 Higgins' sister entered "All for Believing" on her behalf into Unearthed, radio station triple J's competition for unsigned artists." In 2001, Nicola entered "All for Believing" on Higgins' behalf into Unearthed, radio station triple J's competition for unsigned artists.
12. "Two record companies showed an interest in Higgins — Sony and Eleven.[5]" Two record companies showed an interest in Higgins—Sony and Eleven.[5] non-spaced mdash
13. "her to take time to go backpacking.[5]" {{her to take time off for backpacking.[5]}}
14. "While she was travelling, a recording of "All for Believing" started to be played by Los Angeles radio station KCRW.[11]" While she was travelling, "All for Believing" started to be played by Los Angeles radio station KCRW.[11]
15. "This brought attention from US record labels and, by the end of 2002, an international recording deal with Warner Bros.[12]" This brought attention from US record labels and, by year's end, an international recording deal with Warner Bros.[12]

Done --shaidar cuebiyar ( talk | contribs ) 00:05, 7 March 2010 (UTC)

The Sound of White

1. "Higgins embarked on a 2003 Australian tour with folk rock band The Waifs and rock band george.[12]" Higgins was the support act on a 2003 Australian tour by folk rock band The Waifs and rock band george.[12] More NPOV: currently reads like she was co-Lead of this tour but ref clearly states she supported.
2. "She then travelled to the US to work with Eleven manager John Watson, recording her first extended play (EP) entitled Missy Higgins.[13]" The ref does not name any John Watson. There's a John Porter but no indication that he's a manager for Eleven: it's implicit that he is a producer (for The Smiths and Ryan Adams). If this is who you mean then try She travelled to the US to work with Eleven's producer, John Porter, recording her first extended play (EP) entitled Missy Higgins,[13] Note full stop now a comma to lead into next point. If you do mean John Watson then relevance and/or his role in the recording needs to be established by a different ref.

   I've obviously got a bit muddled here. I did mean John Porter, and have made that change. However, according to this reference (the Ziffer one that has been used already), her manager is called John Watson, so I'll try and find a bit more out about that.--BelovedFreak 15:00, 3 March 2010 (UTC)

   Ok, as far as I can tell, John Porter has nothing to do with Eleven. John Watson is her manager, and also the president of Eleven.[1] Does he warrant a mention?--BelovedFreak 17:08, 4 March 2010 (UTC)

   Yes mention Watson (wikilink if he's on), in section where she's signed to Eleven. His other notable clients as a [[talent manager|manager]] can be parenthesised.shaidar cuebiyar ( talk | contribs ) 22:23, 5 March 2010 (UTC)

   Right. I've added this, but would appreciate if you could check if it needs copyediting; looks a little clunky to me. --BelovedFreak 13:07, 6 March 2010 (UTC)

3. A mention of the EP's release date and its charting on ARIA should be included as this is her first (?) release. Add following to previous sentence fragment: which was released in November and entered the [[Australian Recording Industry Association]] (ARIA) [[ARIA Charts|Singles Chart]] Top 50 in August 2004.<ref name="AusCharts">{{cite web|url=http://australian-charts.com/showinterpret.asp?interpret=Missy+Higgins|title=Discography Missy Higgins|publisher=Hung Medien|work=Australian charts portal|accessdate=4 March 2010}}</ref> November 2003 release date is from Who's Who ref given above.
4. "Her second EP Scar was released in August 2004, with the title track, co-written with Kevin Griffin, debuting at No. 1 on the ARIA Charts.[17]" Her second EP Scar was released in August 2004, with the title track, "[[Scar (song)|]]", co-written with US songwriter, Kevin Griffin, debuting at No. 1 on the ARIA Charts.[17] "title track" no longer has a hidden link. Consider breaking into two sentences as its starting to get too long now.
5. "Her first album, The Sound of White, was released in September 2004, also going straight to No. 1.[14]" Her first album, The Sound of White, was released in September 2004, and debuted at No. 1 on the ARIA Albums Chart.[14] Aside: "Singles Chart" not needed in previous point as we already know from first Missy Higgins that Singles and EPs chart on the ARIA Singles Chart, hereafter if you're talking ARIA/Australian charting you don't have to specify which albums or singles charts are used unless you're talking component chart or non-ARIA.
6. "Produced in the US by John Porter, it sold over 500,000 copies.[18]" Also produced by Porter, it sold over 500,000 copies.[18] No link on Porter.
7. "The album's second single "Ten Days" was co-written with Jay Clifford and" Its second single "Ten Days" was co-written with Jay Clifford (guitarist in US band Jump, Little Children) and Note: Jay Clifford is de-linked (its re-directed to Jump, Little Children anyway). Query: Is Ten Days an EP with "Ten Days" on it?

   Not according to the australian-charts portal, Allmusic & the official website. I don't really understand what makes an EP an EP as "Ten Days" appears to have 4 tracks on it but is not described as an EP. In sorting out the discography article, I've found that those three websites don't totally match up, but that's probably more an issue for that article, not this one.--BelovedFreak 01:07, 4 March 2010 (UTC)

   Consider wikipedia (not always a good idea) entry on EPs: When the Compact disc became the dominant physical format, capacities increased, with a CD single usually having around 10–28 minutes of music, a CD EP up to 36 minutes, and an album generally 30–80 minutes. Clearly there is confusion and overlap in the definitions. In any case, I'd go with australian-charts portal being local (original info from ARIA) and independent of artist.

8. "inspired by Higgins' separation from her boyfriend while she was travelling in Europe.[19]" My reading of the ref is that they had broken up before she went travelling and that she started to write the song about the break up while travelling. It currently reads like they separated while she was travelling and then she wrote the song. Also "separation from her boyfriend" could be construed as being apart/lonely rather than broken up with. If you agree with my understanding try inspired by Higgins' 2002 break-up with her boyfriend before she travelled to Europe.[19]

   Yep, I agree. Not sure if I'd read a different version, or was thinking of them getting back together later, but it's not really relevant.--BelovedFreak 01:36, 4 March 2010 (UTC)

   I've read that too, now, but can't tell which ref. In any case, you're right their reunion is not relevant here: it can go on the song's article.shaidar cuebiyar ( talk | contribs ) 22:26, 5 March 2010 (UTC)

9. "Released in November, it peaked at No. 12 on the ARIA Charts.[15]" Released in November, it peaked at No. 12.[15] Consider incorporation in nearby sentence.
10. "September also saw her nominated in five categories at the ARIA Music Awards for "Scar"; Best Female Artist, Single of the Year, Best Pop Release, Breakthrough Artist — Single and Best Video.[8]" First move this and next sentence in front of sentence(s) about second single. Secondly try She was nominated in five categories at the [[ARIA Music Awards of 2004]] for "Scar": 'Best Female Artist', 'Single of the Year', 'Best Pop Release', 'Breakthrough Artist – Single' and 'Best Video'.<ref name="ARIA2004">{{Cite web|url=http://www.ariaawards.com.au/history-by-year.php?year=2004|title=ARIA Awards – History: Winners by Year 2004: 18th Annual ARIA Awards|publisher=Australian Recording Industry Association (ARIA)|accessdate=4 March 2010}}</ref> Note spaced ndash in there. Consider naming video's director(s), Squareyed Films.

    Not sure what you mean about the space - do you mean not having a non breaking space? Also, is that citation not basically the same as the one that's there ([2])? Otherwise, think I've done the above, but would appreciate if you could check this section again; it's 1.30 am here & I'm getting a little bug-eyed!

    I thought I saw an emdash between Artist and Single when it should be an endash (they're tricky little things). And yeah, I see now that its the same ref as later on: that's what you get for jumping in as I'm reviewing line by line (sorry about that).

11. "They raised AUS$2.3" The concert raised AUS$2.3
12. "won the prize for Breakthrough Artist of the Year.[26]" won the prize for 'Breakthrough Artist of the Year'.[26]
13. "The following month she released her third single, "The Special Two". It was a hit on Australian radio and reached No. 2 on the ARIA charts.[27]" The following month she released her third single, "The Special Two", which was a radio hit and reached No. 2.[27]
14. "which included her cover of the Skyhooks song, "You Just Like Me Cos I'm Good In Bed"," which included her [[cover version|cover]] of the Skyhooks song, "You Just Like Me 'Cos I'm Good in Bed",
15. "first track played on triple J" first track played on Triple J

    Even though it has no capital at triple J?--BelovedFreak 01:36, 4 March 2010 (UTC)

    However, read that article's wikilink in the previous sentence!

    Changed all to lower-case.--BelovedFreak 12:34, 4 March 2010 (UTC)

    Changed all back to capitalised per your comment further down.--BelovedFreak 22:05, 5 March 2010 (UTC)

16. "won the Song of the Year award and the Breakthrough award for "Scar" from the Australasian Performing Right Association (APRA).[29]" {{xt|won the 'Song of the Year' and 'Breakthrough' awards for "Scar" from the Australasian Performing Right Association (APRA).[29] Note: best reference for APRA Award is ARPA itself: try here.
17. "a charity performance at the Vanguard in Sydney with the proceeds going to mental health charity One in Five. Approximately 200 tickets sold out within hours.[30]" a sold out performance at the Vanguard in Sydney with the proceeds going to One in Five, her sponsored mental health charity.[30] No link for One in Five.
18. "She was nominated for seven ARIA Awards for The Sound Of White and in October won Album of the Year, Best Female Artist (for "Scar"), Best Pop Release, Breakthrough Artist — Album Release and Highest Selling Album.[31]" She was nominated for seven more [[ARIA Music Awards of 2004|ARIAs]] and in October won 'Album of the Year', 'Best Pop Release', 'Breakthrough Artist – Album' and 'Highest Selling Album' (all for The Sound of White) and 'Best Female Artist' (for "Scar"),.[31] Note: spaced ndash in there. Use an ARIA 2005 ref for these: copy the 2004 one above and change all to 2005 and 18th to 19th.
19. "She teamed up with Australian singer Ben Lee in late 2005 for a national tour.[32]" She teamed up with fellow ARIA award-winning singer Ben Lee in late 2005 for a national tour.[32]

Done --shaidar cuebiyar ( talk | contribs ) 00:11, 7 March 2010 (UTC)

On a Clear Night

1. "living alone in" Can't check Lanham (ref33) but Mathieson (ref34) indicates a friend showed her around Broome. Her living arrangements are not mentioned directly.

   grr... why do websites keep moving or removing their articles. I can't even see that Lanham one on the wayback machine, so I'll have a look for any other mentions. I'm sure I read that she was alone, but otherwise I'll scrap it.--BelovedFreak 12:33, 4 March 2010 (UTC)

   Ok, it's gone.--BelovedFreak 16:40, 4 March 2010 (UTC)

2. "In 2006, Higgins spent six months living alone in Broome, Western Australia writing new material.[33] The relaxed lifestyle she found there, and time away from the entertainment industry, helped her to focus on her next album.[34]" During 2006, Higgins lived in Broome, Western Australia for six months, away from the entertainment industry, the relaxed lifestyle helped her focus on writing new material.[34] Del [33] if you can't get it to work.
3. "The landscape made a big impression on her and she later said, "It was the first place I'd ever felt honestly connected with my country, with the physical land of my country".[35] The move inspired her to write the song "Going North". " The landscape made a big impression, "It was the first place I'd ever felt honestly connected with my country, with the physical land of my country" and inspired her to write "Going North".[35]
4. "The first single from that album, "Steer" was released as an EP on 14 April 2007 and the album followed on 28 April.[38]" "Steer" was released as an EP, followed a fortnight later by its album on 28 April 2007,[38] both debuted at No. 1 on their respective charts.[15] At this point I conclude that the Lead needs to reflect her No. 1 albums rather than the amorphous "hit albums".
5. New material. In February, Higgins had contributed a [[tribute album|tribute song]] to the album, Cannot Buy My Soul, for noted [[Indigenous Australian|indigenous]] singer, [[Kev Carmody]], singing "Droving Woman" with musician [[Paul Kelly (musician)|]] and group [[Augie March]].<ref>{{cite web|url=http://hem2.passagen.se/honga/database/comp/cannotbuymysoul.html|work=[[Australian Rock Database]]|title=Cannot Buy My Soul – The Songs of Kev Carmody|publisher=Magnus Holmgren|editor=Magnus Holmgren|accessdate=4 March 2010}</ref> Provides background context for her singing with these notables in next sentence.
6. "On 7 July 2007, Higgins participated in the Live Earth concert in Sydney, performing her own set before joining Paul Kelly, Kev Carmody and John Butler on stage for the song "From Little Things Big Things Grow".[39]" On 7 July, she participated in the Live Earth concert in Sydney, performing her own set before joining Carmody, Kelly and vocalist John Butler on stage for the song "From Little Things Big Things Grow".[39]
7. "Writing for The Sydney Morning Herald, Emily Dunn said that the song "could have been the event's anthem".[40] Dan Lander from Rolling Stone cited it as a highlight, saying that the "whole crowd sung along – all eleven verses."[41]" Emily Dunn in ''[[The Sydney Morning Herald]]'' wrote "[the song] could have been the event's anthem".[40] [[Rolling Stone Australia|''Rolling Stone'']]'s Dan Lander pointed out a highlight, when the "whole crowd sung along – all eleven verses."[41]
8. "In August, Higgins returned to Los Angeles to focus on the US market.[42] She spent September and October 2007 touring the US, still relatively unknown there.[43]" I don't see August in ref[42]. Combine these two sentences, Higgins returned to Los Angeles to focus on the US market—she spent September and October touring—where she was still relatively unknown.[43] Note these are emdashes.
9. "On 26 October, backed by the Sydney Youth Orchestra, she headlined the annual Legs 11 concert, a breast cancer benefit held in The Domain, at the Royal Botanic Gardens in Sydney.[44]" On 26 October, backed by Sydney Youth Orchestra, she headlined the annual Legs 11 concert, a [[breast cancer]] benefit held in The Domain, [[Royal Botanic Gardens, Sydney|Royal Botanic Gardens]], Sydney.[44] Additional links, some tweaking. Note ref[44] is written nearly three weeks before the proposed performance: do you have a review from after?

   I'll look. --BelovedFreak 13:12, 4 March 2010 (UTC)

10. "On 28 October, she attended the 2007 ARIA Music Awards, where she had been nominated for four awards; Best Pop Release, Best Female Artist, Highest Selling Album and Highest Selling Single (for "Steer").[19] She performed at the ceremony and won the award for Best Female Artist.[45]" Two days later Higgins performed at the 2007 ARIAs where she was nominated for 'Best Pop Release', 'Highest Selling Album' and 'Highest Selling Single' (for "Steer") and won 'Best Female Artist' (for On a Clear Night)—her seventh ARIA Music Award.[19][45] Ref[45] should be replaced here by an ARIA2007 ref.shaidar cuebiyar ( talk | contribs ) 13:42, 4 March 2010 (UTC)

    Isn't it covered by [19], which is from the same website? TheEpoch Times ref supports the fact that she performed at the ceremony.--BelovedFreak 13:12, 4 March 2010 (UTC)

    ARIA2007 covers all nominations, award winners and gives Higgins as a performer. Its more reliable than a newspaper article and has more depth than [19].

11. "She sang lead vocals to headline act Powderfinger's "Sunsets"" Ref[46] doesn't name song in duet with Powderfinger.

    Ok, I have no idea where I got this from as I can't find mention of it in gnews using the terms "missy+higgins+sunsets". I know it's true because I just found it on youtube, but that's definitely not where I got it from originally so I'll keep looking.--BelovedFreak 13:18, 4 March 2010 (UTC)

    What do you think about the reliability of this one?--BelovedFreak 16:40, 4 March 2010 (UTC)

    JWatson? Presents potential claim of self-interest/bias. I'd say ninemsn is better? Lists Powderfinger songs (including "Sunset") then says, "The band was also joined throughout the concert by special guests, Missy Higgins and Jet singer Nic Cester." BTW de-link second wikilink on Powderfinger in the article.

    Ha. hadn't noticed it was JWatson! --BelovedFreak 13:18, 6 March 2010 (UTC)

12. "She spent the last two months of 2007 on a national tour of Australia called For One Night Only, taking in Cairns, Sydney and Perth." She spent November and December on her For One Night Only Tour, taking in Cairns, Sydney and Perth.
13. "Her stay in Los Angeles, which lasted for ten months of 2008, was intended to promote the use of her music in films and television shows.[37][48]" Her ten-month stay in Los Angeles during 2008 promoted her songs for films and television shows.[37][48]
14. "Her first US single "Where I Stood" was particularly successful in this regard and was featured in US series including Grey's Anatomy, One Tree Hill and So You Think You Can Dance.[49]" Her first US single "Where I Stood" was featured in TV series including Grey's Anatomy, One Tree Hill and So You Think You Can Dance.[49] Were any songs used in films as intended?
15. "On 31 March she released an EP in Australia" On 31 March she released an EP, More Than This in Australia
16. ""Moses" had been included on triple J's" "Moses" had been included on Triple J's

    Not done, as I've changed them all to lower case to match. Will change them all to upper case if you think best. --BelovedFreak 13:37, 4 March 2010 (UTC)

17. "compilation album Like a Version: Volume One and" compilation album ''[[Like a Version#Like a Version: Volume One|Like a Version: Volume One]]'' and Piped to appropriate volume of the compilation. Note: Higgins herself is covered on Volume Two.
18. ""(I'm) In Love Again" by Cy Coleman," I assume you're refering to his song writing? I believe he was a jazz pianist and pop songwriter by don't think he did vocals. In any case, according to ASCAP at ACE search it was co-written by Coleman, Peggy Lee and Bill Schluger. Lee performed it in 1964 on In Love Again!, Blossom Dearie also in 1964 on May I Come In?, with other versions. I'd go for Peggy Lee in place of Cy Coleman with a piped link to her album of similar name.
19. "In January 2010 Higgins announced plans to play at the 2010 revival of the Lilith Fair festival during July and August. She will perform in Philadelphia, Boston, New York City, Hartford and Washington, D.C.[54]" In January 2010, Higgins announced plans to perform in the Lilith Fair festival during July and August; at venues in Philadelphia, Boston, New York City, Hartford and Washington, D.C.[54]

Done --shaidar cuebiyar ( talk | contribs ) 00:16, 7 March 2010 (UTC)

Other projects

1. Whole first paragraph does not belong here: its hardly a discussion of Higgins' projects but more a listing of her popularity with select groups.

   Yeah, agree. That was partly a legacy from before I started editing the article, then I added the PETA poll, but it's all pretty trivial I guess.--BelovedFreak 13:37, 4 March 2010 (UTC)

2. Once the first paragraph is moved out the separate existence of this section is problematic. Second paragraph only discusses one project with a strong indication that no others are to follow. It can probably be incorporated into the previous section.
3. "Higgins made her acting debut in 2009 film Bran Nue Dae directed by Rachel Perkins. Released in Australia on 14 January 2010, the film is an adaptation of the 1990 musical also called Bran Nue Dae, "Australia's first Aboriginal musical".[59] Higgins plays the character of Annie, a hippie. She has said that she has no further plans to pursue an acting career.[60]" Higgins' acting debut was as 'Annie' in 2010 film Bran Nue Dae directed by Rachel Perkins. The film is an adaptation of the 1990 musical, Bran Nue Dae, "Australia's first Aboriginal musical".[59] Higgins has no plans to actively pursue an acting career.[60]

Done --shaidar cuebiyar ( talk | contribs ) 00:18, 7 March 2010 (UTC)

Personal life

1. "Higgins is a vegetarian; she appeared in a 2005 advertising campaign for the animal rights group PETA, promoting the health benefits of not eating meat, and has taken part in an anti-fur campaign for the group." As a vegetarian, Higgins promoted the health benefits of not eating meat in a 2005 advertising campaign by People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals (PETA);[61] and has supported their anti-fur stance. Is there a ref to cover both PETA campaigns? If so, remove [61].

   So far, can't find a reliable source that covers both aspects.--BelovedFreak 16:35, 4 March 2010 (UTC)

2. "Closer to home, she has spoken out against the proposed industrialisation of the Kimberley region of Western Australia and donated royalties from her 2009 EP More Than This to the cause.[52]" She has protested against the proposed industrialisation of the Kimberley region of Western Australia and donated the royalties from her 2009 EP More Than This.[52]
3. "To make her tours carbon neutral, she purchases green energy to power venues, uses bio-diesel tour buses in the United States and purchases carbon offsets.[62]" Neither 'bio-diesel' nor 'tour buses' are mentioned in ref. Article states "Her recent autumn tour was the first Higgins has "greened"." So try Since early 2007, Higgins has tried to make her tours carbon neutral, she purchases green energy to power venues, uses hybrid cars where possible and buys carbon offsets.[62]
4. "Until 2007, Higgins' sexual orientation was the subject of speculation from journalists based on interpretations of her lyrics and comments made by her in interviews.[A]" From 2004 to 2007, Higgins' sexual orientation was the subject of media speculation based partly on interpretations of her lyrics and her interviews.[A] Start of speculation appears to be from "Scar".
5. De-redlink Cherrie.
6. "She replied "Um, yeah, definitely ... I think sexuality is a fluid thing and it's becoming increasingly more acceptable to admit that you're that way."[58]" She replied "Um, yeah, definitely. [...] I think sexuality is a fluid thing and it's becoming increasingly more acceptable to admit that you're that way."[58] Square bracket indicate its your ellipsis and not in original.
7. "The following month she said on her MySpace blog, "I’ve been in relationships with both men and women so I guess I fall most easily under the category 'Bisexual'."[59]" Her MySpace page reported, "I’ve been in relationships with both men and women so I guess I fall most easily under the category 'Bisexual'" in November.[59]
8. "In a March 2008 interview with AfterEllen.com, Higgins said that her song "Secret" was written about an ex-girlfriend who was not comfortable going public with their relationship; "When we first started our relationship, she was not comfortable with bringing it out into the open, and I was so head over heels in love with her I kind of wanted to shout it out to the world, so it was just a song about keeping something under the covers and not being comfortable sharing something with the world, keeping it away locked in a little room."[60]" Some serious trimming required here, try to keep the quote to a minimum and paraphrase as much as possible without becoming repetitive. My suggestion is In a March 2008 interview with AfterEllen.com, Higgins said that her song "Secret" was written about an ex-girlfriend who was not comfortable, at first, about going public with their relationship; "I was so head over heels in love with her I kind of wanted to shout it out to the world, so it was just a song about keeping something under the covers [...] keeping it away locked in a little room."[60]

   Fair enough... you should have seen the huge quote that was there before! --BelovedFreak 12:45, 5 March 2010 (UTC)

9. "Higgins is a supporter of Australian mental health charity One in Five, and has been patron of the organisation since 2003.[61]" Higgins has been a patron of Australian mental health charity One in Five since 2003.[61]
10. "She has described her younger self as "a bit of a depressed child" and "introverted",[15] and has said that she has "experienced various degrees of depression".[62]" She described her younger self as "a bit of a depressed child" and "introverted", and that she had "experienced various degrees of depression".[15][62]
11. "While recording her second album in 2006 she discovered a passion for rock climbing, which she calls a "meditative pursuit".[65] She says, "It's the first thing I've had—other than music—that I'm passionate about."[63]" While recording her second album she discovered a passion for rock climbing, as a "meditative pursuit"[65] and that, "It's the first thing I've had—other than music—that I'm passionate about."[63]

Done --shaidar cuebiyar ( talk | contribs ) 00:22, 7 March 2010 (UTC)

Notes

1. Can you organise these speculations chronologically? Place year alongside name e.g. (Adams, 2007),[66] If possible, do you have any from 2004 on these speculations re: "Scar"?

   Although there is some 2004 fan speculation about it with regard to that song, I can't find any speculation at all in WP:RS from 2004. Will keep looking though.--BelovedFreak 22:11, 5 March 2010 (UTC)

Done --shaidar cuebiyar ( talk | contribs ) 00:24, 7 March 2010 (UTC)

References

• With such an extensively referenced article you should have a few General references and then Specific ones.
• Suggestions for General ones are AllMusic's biography and Spencer's Who's Who in Australian Rock.
  • <taps self on forehead>Why didn't I think of this earlier?</taps self on forehead> Another ref? Try <ref name="Howl">{{cite web | url = http://www.howlspace.com.au/en5/missyhiggins/missyhiggins.htm | title = Missy Higgins | work = Howlspace | last = Nimmervoll | first = Ed | publisher = White Room Electronic Publishing Pty Ltd | accessdate = 6 March 2010 }}</ref> Gives greater detail of early years.

    Ooh that's a good one. Did I do it right though - under "general"?--BelovedFreak 13:27, 6 March 2010 (UTC)

    Yeah, I've tweaked it a little.shaidar cuebiyar ( talk | contribs ) 23:22, 7 March 2010 (UTC)

• Within your refs wikilink only the first time, subsequent appearances should be de-linked.
• Remove redlinks.
• Find publishers for all refs. (Not always requested below)

  Done, I think.--BelovedFreak 16:17, 5 March 2010 (UTC)

  See Adams at [32]. publisher = The Herald and Weekly Times (News Corporation)
  Will need fixing elsewhere too.

  [37] RealNetworks, Inc is publisher for US/International version, since original source is Australian edition you need: publisher = [[ACP Magazines]] see here.

  [42] The Sunday Times is another News Corporation subsidiary ala The Herald and Weekly Times above.shaidar cuebiyar ( talk | contribs ) 23:09, 5 March 2010 (UTC)

• Find more authors.
  • At least three of these ([21], [22] & [42]) are by AAP which is an acronym. Try adding | last = Australian Associated Press (AAP) | authorlink = Australian Associated Press in the first of those refs but not | authorlink = Australian Associated Press in subsequent cases.

    Done by --shaidar cuebiyar ( talk | contribs ) 23:45, 7 March 2010 (UTC)

    Actually, already done by BelovedFreak. --shaidar cuebiyar ( talk | contribs ) 23:51, 7 March 2010 (UTC)

  • I've checked the other unknowns and they appear to have no attributable author.shaidar cuebiyar ( talk | contribs ) 23:22, 7 March 2010 (UTC)
• "{{reflist|2|" {{Reflist|colwidth=25em|
• Note: numbers below ref to the references at time of review. They may get changed.shaidar cuebiyar ( talk | contribs ) 07:42, 5 March 2010 (UTC)

1. Refs should not be inside the infobox. Move to relevant place in main text. Wikilink at [[Skope Magazine]] not [[Skope]]. publisher = Skope Entertainment Inc

   Just leaving it until I make a place to put it in the main text.--BelovedFreak 22:17, 5 March 2010 (UTC)

2. Currently goes to page 2. If you can't get it to show whole article (rather than page by page) then go to page 1 and add a note to the ref. e.g. <ref name="DanielZiffer">{{Citation | last = Ziffer| first = Daniel | title = No one's idol | newspaper = [[The Age]] | date = 29 October 2005 | url = http://www.theage.com.au/news/music/no-ones-idol/2005/10/28/1130400361144.html | publisher = [[Fairfax Media]] | pages = 1–3 | accessdate =15 January 2009}} Note: pages 2-3 are accessed by tabs at bottom of text.</ref>
3. newspaper = Gold Coast News | publisher = GoldCoast.com
4. Creswell not needed at a. Ziffer does most of this on page 3, with help from Ovenden. Creswell could also be a General ref.

   I added that because the other two do not mention her place of birth.--BelovedFreak 14:11, 5 March 2010 (UTC)

   I beg to differ. See my discussion above.shaidar cuebiyar ( talk | contribs ) 23:13, 5 March 2010 (UTC)

   Agree! --BelovedFreak 13:27, 6 March 2010 (UTC)

5. Has a similar page problem to [2] but url=http://www.digmagonline.com/home/index.cfm?event=displayArticlePrinterFriendly&uStory_id=66d46131-d474-40e9-aaa6-bf81c5a932a4 gives PrintFriendly form (whole story on a page). You need to find publisher, try here.

   What do you think: College Media Network, MTV Networks or MtvU?--BelovedFreak 21:00, 5 March 2010 (UTC)

   Hate to be difficult but I'd go for Viacom, the parent company of all of them! you could thus use publisher = [[College Media Network]] ([[Viacom]]) --shaidar cuebiyar ( talk | contribs ) 23:19, 5 March 2010 (UTC)

6. publisher = Fairfax Media
10. publisher=[[Peter M. Brant|Brant Publications, Inc]]
11. Page problem as per Ziffer at [2].
12. Does next sentence too. Meld the two sentences and ref with this.
13. Might not be needed now.
14. "newspaper = [[Australian Broadcasting Corporation]]" newspaper? Try work= [[Rage (TV program)|rage]] | publisher=[[Australian Broadcasting Corporation]] (ABC)
15. Not needed at b. Charting information by ARIA via Australian charts portal see [16].
18. Use [16]. Need a new APRA ref for song writing. If using [18] elsewhere author = Andrew Murfett or similar.
19. [20] works better here: it actually mentions Squareyed Films whereas [19] does not. [19] could be used in Awards section if you have a lead-in summary to indicate that Higgins has won seven ARIA Music Awards from nineteen nominations.
20. See [19]
21. Redundant, delete.
23. Author? Publisher?
26. "newspaper = British Broadcasting Corporation" work = </i>[[BBC News]]<i> | publisher= [[BBC]] Note: BBC News is not italicised.
27. Use [16].
28. Note: Austin was there and throughout the article she refers to Triple J not triple J.
29. "title = APRA|AMCOS: 2005 Winners" title = APRA<nowiki>|</nowiki>AMCOS: 2005 Winners nowiki the | separator in title.
33. Use single page url = http://www.theage.com.au/news/music/everything-but-the-girl/2007/04/26/1177459841956.html?page=fullpage#contentSwap1
34. She plays a xylophone! Ref needs publisher.

    Lol. Ok, it's looking like I need a nice little section about the various instruments (thanks for pointing all those bits out by the way) - where do you think I should mention them?

    1. $QED$ New section, try ===Backing band members=== before Discography section. These can include tour members, recording members and Higgins herself on any reliably sourced instrumentation. Years of membership, is to be supplied.
       1. I like your solution even better.shaidar cuebiyar ( talk | contribs ) 01:57, 7 March 2010 (UTC)

    Tentatively striking - is what's there sufficient?--BelovedFreak 12:09, 7 March 2010 (UTC)

    Yes.shaidar cuebiyar ( talk | contribs ) 23:22, 7 March 2010 (UTC)

36. a Does not mention Froom. b Does not mention ten months, in fact explicitly states "to base herself there for three months of music industry showcases"

    b - what is now [44] (Missy proves you can go home again") says 10 months. --BelovedFreak 20:59, 5 March 2010 (UTC)

    [36] was Adams now [32]. So how does a casual reader know whether Adams (3 months) or Murfett (10 months) is right? Perhaps she intended to stay for 3 but it turned into 10, considering dates of articles. I'll go with your interpretation.shaidar cuebiyar ( talk | contribs ) 23:44, 5 March 2010 (UTC)

    To, me it looks like it turned out to be ten months, but it could also just be dodgy reporting, or maybe it wasn't a solid ten months, maybe she moved around or whatever. Maybe I should make it less specific, what do you think?--BelovedFreak 14:24, 6 March 2010 (UTC)

    Leave the ten months: it was written after her stay there.shaidar cuebiyar ( talk | contribs ) 01:57, 7 March 2010 (UTC)

37. Redundant when this sentence is melded with next one and [16] is used for both.

    Ok, this is where I really am getting confused because with regard to the release date for the Steer EP, the two contradict each other. Now I know that the artist's official site can't be considered neutral in some regards, but isn't it likely to be accurate with release dates? Saying that, I have no idea how accurate the aus-charts portal is, and I know you have more experience in this area, so will defer to you. For the album though, I'm not sure (unless I'm being completely blind or stupid) that the portal even lists a release date - it seems to just list the date it entered the charts. Or do I assume that's the same? This is also a different date to the official site. --BelovedFreak 14:12, 6 March 2010 (UTC)

    Don't know if this helps: maybe it just gets murkier for you. The chart entry dates at AusCharts are for 'week ending'. Steer appears in the charts at #1 on week ending 29 April with ARIA requiring at least 11 days from release for first charting (if interested, their code of practice is here as a pdf—see page 24 of 28) thus at least 18 April. Her official site says 14 April (close enough). As for the album AusCharts says week ending 13 May gives 2 May. Her website says 28 April (close enough). ARIA, itself confirms April releases for both here but no exact date. I'd keep the AusCharts ref for both but leave 28 April as the album's release date. Another problem with her website is that I can't go directly to just the discography section and that the page takes too long to load on my sloooow machine.shaidar cuebiyar ( talk | contribs ) 01:57, 7 March 2010 (UTC)

    Yeah, it's quite an annoying website. Actually that's all much clearer & will help whan I move on to try and sort out the dates of her discography, thanks.

40. Use single page url.
41. Fix newspaper wikilink to Rolling Stone Australia, which is the local origin of Lander's story and not Rolling Stone, the international/US parent. Publisher (of Australian version) needed.
47. Use single page url.
49. newspaper = TicketNews | publisher = TicketNews.com Furthermore the ref makes it clear that she supported Indigo Girls first then supported Ben Folds on a separate tour. Current sentence is not clear on this, it can be read as either she supported them both or Folds first then Girls.
53. How is this url different from [37]? In any case, I'd prefer a neutral source, try Billboard preview.

    Well, it would be different if I could actually link to the discography, but it juet goes back to main page. Anyway, the Billboard reference doesn't mention the places she'll be playing. Could I use both? Is it a problem usinf a primary source like that when it's backing up what she personally has announced? Sorry... not trying to be difficult! --BelovedFreak 13:41, 6 March 2010 (UTC)

    Interested readers can go to her website for tour dates/venues. We're just summarising the facts: she's going to be on the Lilith tour in US summer. You might have to delete venues. A better statement can be written after the tour has been covered in the press.shaidar cuebiyar ( talk | contribs ) 01:57, 7 March 2010 (UTC)

57. Use single page url.
58. "|title=Down to Earth |first=Katrina |last=Fox |date=19 October 2007 |url=http://web.archive.org/web/20071102062733/http://cherrie.e-p.net.au/features/down-to-earth.html |periodical=[[Cherrie (magazine)|Cherrie]] |accessdate=29 November 2007" |title=Down to Earth |first=Katrina |last=Fox | url=http://cherrie.e-p.net.au/features/down-to-earth.html |date=19 October 2007 | archiveurl=http://web.archive.org/web/20071102062733/http://cherrie.e-p.net.au/features/down-to-earth.html | archivedate=2 November 2007 |periodical=Cherrie |accessdate=29 November 2007 Accessdate is for getting into the archive and so is probably wrong now?
64. publisher = Primedia Online
65. Use single page url.
67. Little more than mirror of Fox ref[58]? Replace with original.

    That was for the quote about her ending years of speculation.--BelovedFreak 14:54, 5 March 2010 (UTC)

    Ah, my bad.shaidar cuebiyar ( talk | contribs ) 23:52, 5 March 2010 (UTC)

Done --shaidar cuebiyar ( talk | contribs ) 23:45, 7 March 2010 (UTC)

External links

Add after Official website.

• [http://musicbrainz.org/artist/3ac2a4a2-52b3-498b-bbc8-31443c68dfe0.html Missy Higgins discography]] at [[MusicBrainz]]

Done --shaidar cuebiyar ( talk | contribs ) 02:01, 7 March 2010 (UTC)

Musical influences and technique

Since this is a new section developed from our discussions herein, I will edit it directly. BTW, this is a better idea than mine!shaidar cuebiyar ( talk | contribs ) 22:30, 6 March 2010 (UTC)

really? thanks! I'm looking for stuff on band members but not sure how to turn it into something cohesive. --BelovedFreak 22:40, 6 March 2010 (UTC)

Not needed, your solution solves problem of her instrumentation.

Done --shaidar cuebiyar ( talk | contribs ) 23:24, 7 March 2010 (UTC)

Criterion 2

Verifiable with no original research:

(a) it contains a list of all references (sources of information), presented in accordance with the layout style guideline;

(b) reliable sources are cited inline. All content that could reasonably be challenged, except for plot summaries and that which summarizes cited content elsewhere in the article, must be cited no later than the end of the paragraph (or line if the content is not in prose); and

(c) it contains no original research.

• These should be covered once the points listed above, especially in References section, are adequately addressed.shaidar cuebiyar ( talk | contribs ) 14:01, 5 March 2010 (UTC)

Done --shaidar cuebiyar ( talk | contribs ) 23:25, 7 March 2010 (UTC)

Criterion 3

Broad in its coverage:

(a) it addresses the main aspects of the topic; and

(b) it stays focused on the topic without going into unnecessary detail (see summary style).

• Some extraneous information has already been removed as per comments in Criterion 1. Further work there will also improve the article in this criterion.shaidar cuebiyar ( talk | contribs ) 14:09, 5 March 2010 (UTC)
• Some additional information on her band members and their instrumentation has been proposed.shaidar cuebiyar ( talk | contribs ) 23:54, 5 March 2010 (UTC)

  Ok, I'm working on a section to hopefully incorporate your suggestions and a bit about influences/style.--BelovedFreak 18:43, 6 March 2010 (UTC)

  No further needed now.

Done --shaidar cuebiyar ( talk | contribs ) 23:26, 7 March 2010 (UTC)

Criterion 4

Neutral: it represents viewpoints fairly and without editorial bias, giving due weight to each.

• Article was already in good condition in this regard, some minor corrections have occurred per comments above.shaidar cuebiyar ( talk | contribs ) 14:13, 5 March 2010 (UTC)

Done --shaidar cuebiyar ( talk | contribs ) 23:27, 7 March 2010 (UTC)

Criterion 5

Stable: it does not change significantly from day to day because of an ongoing edit war or content dispute.

• Doneshaidar cuebiyar ( talk | contribs ) 14:17, 5 March 2010 (UTC)

Criterion 6

Illustrated, if possible, by media such as images, video, or audio:

(a) media are tagged with their copyright statuses, and valid non-free use rationales are provided for non-free content; and

(b) media are relevant to the topic, and have suitable captions.

Captions

I will also give advice on alt text in this section but this is NOT part of the criterion for GA and hence is entirely optional.

1. First image, in infobox, has had its caption modified as per comments above.
2. "Higgins performing at the Apple Store, San Francisco, United States in 2005" Higgins, San Francisco, United States, 11 August 2005<br />Courtesy Nabeel Hyatt
   1. "alt=Higgins, seated, plays a keyboard and sings into a microphone." alt=Dark-haired woman in her early twenties is seated. She sings into a microphone and plays a keyboard instrument. The lettering RD-300SX and Roland are visible across its front.
3. "Higgins performing at the Live Earth concert, Sydney in 2007" Higgins, Live Earth concert, Sydney, 7 July 2007<br />Courtesy Itapp
   1. "alt=Higgins, stands on a stage, plays an acoustic guitar and sings, smiling." alt=Dark-haired woman in her mid-twenties stands and plays an acoustic guitar with her left hand high on the fret board. She sings into a microphone. Her right arm and bottom of guitar are not in view. Background has large stage lights.

   As far as the second & third alt texts, according to WP:ALT, you should "assume context provided by earlier images when writing alt text for later images." They give an example of two portraits being used in the Greta Garbo article, and the alt text for the second image names her as Garbo because this has already been established.--BelovedFreak 20:38, 5 March 2010 (UTC)

   That's a good point! Replace "Dark-haired woman" with Higgins and make appropriate changes.shaidar cuebiyar ( talk | contribs ) 21:48, 5 March 2010 (UTC)

Music samples

Consider adding music samples of suitable form adjacent to relevant text to help illustrate the article. This is optional and will not preclude GA status.shaidar cuebiyar ( talk | contribs ) 15:04, 5 March 2010 (UTC)

Done Captions was sufficient for this criterion: rest is optional.shaidar cuebiyar ( talk | contribs ) 00:09, 6 March 2010 (UTC)