Talk:Misak-ı Millî

Map

I think there are some problems with the map. I am not sure whether Cyprus or Sofia is included in boundaries of Misak-ı Milli.--Ugur Olgun 10:36, 11 February 2007 (UTC)

Yes, the map is wrong. I'm not sure about the modern Armenia and, of course, their political and sociological center Yerevan. On the other hand, I'm sure that we have a right to say our word and take action about Cyprus but Crete is really comedy. It totally belongs to the Hellenic civilization. See you, Deliogul 19:13, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

I created the map above. Please discuss for further improvements. This map is an amateur work which i did in 2 minutes. If there is some missing or some extra territories, please write. After a proper discussion, I can prepare a nice version of this map. See you, Deliogul 17:50, 21 February 2007 (UTC)

I forgot to write the additions I made to the standard Turkey map (Image:LocationTurkey2.png). Mosul, Kirkuk, Batum and Western Thrace. By the way, I'm still waiting your comments. Deliogul 16:42, 22 February 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for the good work. However I am not so sure about Hatay's situation. Do you think we should include it? I read http://tr.wikisource.org/wiki/Misak-%C4%B1_Milli but could not come to a conclusion about the issue.Ugur Olgun 18:23, 22 February 2007 (UTC)

Hatay is in it because Atatürk put his life on the table to take it from imperialists. You know, he went to Hatay in 1937 and with his political connections he forced the world to give up Hatay to Turkey. His illness became worse and deadly after this trip and he could live a year or some after it. So Hatay is included. I will work on a better map then. See you, Deliogul 21:45, 22 February 2007 (UTC)

I know he worked hard. What I was not so sure that whether mps of Ottoman Parliament are as eager as Ataturk was. (There are some conflicts between Ataturk and mps you know Felah-ı Vatan etc..)Anyway if you say so, we should do so. :)--Ugur Olgun 06:32, 23 February 2007 (UTC)

I deleted the first map I made from this discussion page because I created a better one but the older image went crazy instead of disappearing after my re-upload. Deliogul 16:12, 23 February 2007 (UTC)

I am quite sure, that the Misak-i Milli borders include the greek islands, about 12 islands I am definitly sure (Crete, no idea). Whole Cyprus was also ottoman/turkish territory. North Syria and Armenia was also in the Misak-i Milli. Please correct the map! 87.78.193.67 15:59, 24 April 2007 (UTC)

According to the book "Ataturk'un Soylev ve Demecleri I-III" (Speeches and statements of Ataturk I-III) published by Ataturk Arastirma Merkezi Baskanligi (Ataturk Research Center) in Ankara, Ataturk clearly puts it in 1920, May 1 (about seven weeks later national pact decision was made) as follows: "One of principles and probably the first that we always agree to while border problem being determined and established is that our national borders pass from the south of Iskenderun and stretching to the east, include Musul, Kerkuk and Suleymaniye. In the light of this explaination of an Ottoman Army Officer and the most authoritative mouth of Independence War, southern border "streches" from south of Iskenderun to the east, which means an arrangement on the Syrian border presented in this map.

12:45, 7 July 2007 (UTC)12:45, 7 July 2007 (UTC)HakanPasali 12:48, 7 July 2007 (UTC)

User 87.78.193.67, there is not a single mention of Cyprus during or after Independence War era (maybe because the House of Osman gave it to the Great Britain).

HakanPasali, you are free to add those territories to the map since your source is satisfying. Deliogul 09:07, 9 July 2007 (UTC)

Maps are wrong

Why is Hatay province in the map on the left included? That looks strange to me? Any sources? It was incorporated in 1939 into Turkey. Looks like a mistake! Apocolocynthosis (talk) 14:18, 3 May 2008 (UTC)

Man, I just did an experimental map long time ago because the article needed a quick visionary support in order to explain the geographical context of Misak-ı Milli. Everybody is free to improve my humble work if they have good sources. My intent was to keep this map for a week or two and then, with the help of other Wikipedians, to give a final and true shape to it but after all that time passed after I created the work, it still stands exactly the same. Deliogul (talk) 20:00, 14 August 2008 (UTC)

It is still the same thing. Time passes rapidly. Deliogul (talk) 23:11, 24 August 2008 (UTC)

this map

Which organization made this map ? why doesnt it include places where Turks live like Deliorman/Dobruca (Bulgaria) ? Also Ahiska region which is now in Georgia had a huge Turkish population before they were forced to move to central asia. Not to mention Acara. These regions would be obvious in any greater Turkey aspirations!

Cyprus

Does anybody know if Cyprus was including in the 'Misaki Milli'? Can you also provide the source? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Iliaxip (talk • contribs) 00:11, 22 February 2010 (UTC)

• No. The island of Cyprus was not in Misak-ı Millî. It was a British territory. The island did not create any issues until '50s. It is not included in the original agreement: http://tr.wikisource.org/wiki/Misak-%C4%B1_Mill%C3%AE --Infestor (talk) 02:47, 11 November 2011 (UTC)

Attribution in the paragraph breaches NPOV

The map is held as legitimate by more parties then Turkish Nationalists and the source about the significance is irrelevant to the articles discussion. — Preceding unsigned comment added by AdaletAdam (talk • contribs) 13:30, 11 April 2022 (UTC)

Turkish nationalists still 'claim'

"The Republic of Turkey's borders according to the original National Pact. Turkish nationalists still claim these borders are the legitimate borders of Turkey"

This text or article under the picture claims itself 'something what's not there', pointing out that 'nationalists' wants to claim something, let this come over like someone wants to brute attacks because it wants something. Actually in a gentle hatefully way exposing your own toughts instead of of keeping your word in the first text.

"The Republic of Turkey's borders according to the original National Pact.

You can't claim it when the pact is there, it is already your.

So tell us what's the opposite of claiming, that's what the other side is doing to the regions 'on our pact'.

Turk. 89.205.137.161 (talk) 19:58, 1 June 2023 (UTC)