Talk:Minsmere

Is this really a hamlet?

Where is the evidence that this is a hamlet? I can find no evidence, and there is not even a hamlet of that name marked on old OS 25K:1 maps. If no evidence emerges soon I suggest that this article it turned into a redirect to the RSPB reserve. PeterEastern (talk) 14:17, 6 October 2012 (UTC)

There's a very small settlement there certainly - whether I can cite that is another thing of course, but it certainly exists as a cluster of houses (<10 certainly, even accounting for dispersion) - on the OS Map it's the Scotts Hall cluster that I think I'd probably refer to. It probably is a hamlet - just about (I've actually taught people who lived there fwiw - and their address always had Minsmere on it; I accept this is totally anecdotal btw!). I'd argue strongly that it's certainly a place - and that the history of the place probably means it's worthy of a stub article: the original site of Leiston Abbey, the levels and the river. Just about - although I could be convinced otherwise. It depends on what can be found in the historical records I think, and I wouldn't want to prejudice a search of those. I think.

Needs a lot of editing though - I'll try and find some time to give it an initial going over later on. Blue Square Thing (talk) 16:21, 7 October 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for the response. My question is simply because I am reconciling places in WP with places in OpenStreetMap in Suffolk at present and need to decide if it is appropriate to include a hamlet of this name in OSM. PeterEastern (talk) 21:13, 7 October 2012 (UTC)

I probably wouldn't - it's not on the OS so introducing a name for a current settlement is possibly misleading - certainly not without the standard sort of checks. I think the article probably needs to say 'place' rather than hamlet - which is established as a reasonable thing to write if there's any doubt about the definition of the, err, place. Fwiw it appeared in Domesday of course - I have the cites ready but am finishing off a uni assignment right now - and it may appear in some of the standard old reference books which are available online (Page perhaps?) so I'm fairly certain I can justify a stand alone article Blue Square Thing (talk) 21:22, 7 October 2012 (UTC)

Makes sense. Domesday is good. Have a go at building it up and it may then be worth assessing if it is strong enough as a stand-alone article, or if the content should become a section within the RSPB reserve article. I won't be pressing for such a merge however and will now leave you to get on with it in your own time. Thanks. 03:12, 8 October 2012 (UTC)

OK, so, as you can see, worked up a bit. Thanks for the tweaks you made earlier - I think this stuff can be justified pretty much. Still can't find anything on the C14 population levels and the smuggling ref is a little uncomfortable for my taste. I've still to look in the classic C19 directories and whathaveyou, although I doubt there'll be anything very much in these. I reckon it's probably worth keeping as a "place" which happens to sit in the middle of two/three/four parish boundaries. For the history if nothing else. But I could certainly be persuaded otherwise - this stuff can be reused elsewhere. Blue Square Thing (talk) 21:14, 31 October 2012 (UTC)

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