Talk:Ming tombs

Latest comment: 10 years ago by Xoloz in topic Requested move


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I removed the following links from the article.

These links violate WP:EL in a number of ways and do not contribute to the improvement of the article. While potentially done in good faith, the drben.net links are clearly promotion in nature (violation of WP:EL. The information they provide cannot meet WP:RS. The fact that multiple links to the same site were posted suggest a pattern of linkspamming. The kinabaloo.com link has also been added to China-related articles in a systematic fashion suggesting that these links are intended to be promotional.

To those who want to link there images to these travel pages: External links tend to improve the notariety/visibility/ad-sense revenue/Google pagerank/etc. of the linked website, but not the content of the article. If you have pictures you want people to see, why not properly license them, upload them to Wikimedia, and link to them in the article? If you have a website you want to link, make sure it comes from reliable source WP:RS and stands up to the external link guidelines WP:EL. If it is your website you want to link, there is a "conflict of interest" problem WP:COI and this material should be posted to the article talk page where other editors can decide if it is worth linking. Keep in mind, Wikipedia is not a link directory WP:NOT. Dmoz is a link directory and submitting your site there and linking the Dmoz category to the article is a potential solution to external link problems. Posting several links to a single website (even across articles) or repeatedly posting is a form of spam. Nposs 19:48, 24 January 2007 (UTC)Reply

Misleading titles

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The titles of the images in the section "More Images" are either incorrect or misleading. For example "Gate at the start of the sacred walk leading to the tombs" is actually the "tablet pavilion" which is the next structure in the sacred way after the gate. Avihu (talk) 05:27, 29 August 2008 (UTC)Reply

Requested move

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The following discussion is an archived discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the move request was: moved to Ming tombs. Xoloz (talk) 00:22, 5 April 2014 (UTC)Reply



Ming Dynasty TombsMing Tombs – The phrase "Ming Dynasty Tombs" is not the common name for these. They are commonly called the "Ming Tombs" sans "dynasty". A google ngram search for "Ming Dynasty Tombs, Ming Tombs" shows that the title including "dynasty" is almost never ever used, especially so in modern books. As per WP:COMMONNAME this article should be moved as described above. As second option would be "Ming tombs" with a lowercase 't'. I could be argued that while "Imperial Tombs of the Ming and Qing Dynasties" is a propor noun, "Ming tombs" is not a proper noun and so should be de-capitalised thus. Rincewind42 (talk) 13:45, 28 March 2014 (UTC)Reply

The ngram search cannot be use to determine the choice of 'T' versus 't' as it does not differentiate between headings (which may be writen using title case) and body text which might not. For example, a book entitled, in North and Central Chin uses "MING TOMBS" in the title and image captions but uses "Ming tombs" within the paragraphs. Many books repeat the book title and chapter header at the top of every single page, thus a book that uses title case could contain hundreds of "Ming Tombs" but yet prove nothing for us because Wikipedia uses sentence case in headings. We need to look only at the use of the words within paragraph text, ignore the various capitalisation styles of headings and titles. Ultimately, the capitalisation is a matter of correct English grammar and the style guides of Wikipedia. If "Ming Tombs" is used as a proper noun, then it is capitalised. If it is not used as a proper noun then it is not capitalised.
I agree with you, Rincewind42, and I have crossed out my last sentence accordingly. An ngram that supports the lowercase (as for "dynasty") should be considered very strong because it has to contend with capitalized titles, but that doesn't apply here. I'm usually strongly in favor of the lowercase, so per your argument and Philg88's below, I'm switching my support to "Ming tombs". Cheers! Madalibi (talk) 01:44, 30 March 2014 (UTC)Reply
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page or in a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.