Talk:Miksa Falk

Relation to Peter Falk (or lack thereof)

The supposed relationship of Miksa Falk to American actor Peter Falk is completely bogus. Apparently it was speculated based upon a report that Peter Falk is of Hungarian origin. However, the Hungarian ancestry is on his MOTHER'S side, not his father's:

"His father was of Russian Jewish ancestry and his mother was of Polish Jewish, with a mix of Hungarian and Czech Jewish ancestry further back." -- IMDB.com

I have confirmed this through census records. Peter Falk's father, Michael Falk, was born in NYC on Sept. 27, 1897. His parents, Louis and Ida Falk, were both born in Russia and emigrated to the USA in 1893. And Miksa Falk the Hungarian certainly did not have a son Louis born in Russia.

If you have access to an Ancestry.com library subscription, you can see the records here and here. -- Trowbridge (talk) 02:12, 25 June 2011 (UTC)

IMDB isn't a reliable source. I think I'll just remove the specific father/mother notations from the Peter Falk article since they're not that relevant. All Hallow's Wraith (talk) 03:24, 25 June 2011 (UTC)

Point taken. However, the census records confirm that the IMDB bio is correct whereas the Cigar Aficionado interview was not. I'm trying to find some primary sources that don't require a subscription. So far, I've isolated a link to the 1910 census record on the FamilySearch.org site. -- Trowbridge (talk) 04:06, 25 June 2011 (UTC)

Peter Falk was in Hungary, he visited the old family house in Budapest. The Newsreel of Hungarian TV interviewed him about his Hungarian roots.--84.0.91.99 (talk) 18:33, 25 June 2011 (UTC)

http://nickmgombash.blogspot.com/2011/06/peter-falk-his-hungarian-ancestry-part.html — Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.0.91.99 (talk) 18:45, 25 June 2011 (UTC)

Um... Did you read anything previously discussed above? Yes, he had Hungarian roots ON HIS MOTHER'S SIDE. That's the Hochhausers, not the Falks. The Falks were Russian. Peter Falk's grandfather was Louis Falk, a Jew born 1873 IN RUSSIA. Miksa Falk was a ROMAN CATHOLIC who lived his entire life in Austria-Hungary and whose sons were named Frigyes, Ede and Erno. You're propagating a rumor that is demonstrably proven false. So please stop. -- Trowbridge (talk) 18:50, 25 June 2011 (UTC)

Mini-bio: Peter Michael Falk is an American actor of Jewish descent. He was born in New York City, the son of Michael Falk and Madeline Hauser Falk. Falk is a descendent of Miksa Falk, who was the editor of the liberal Hungarian newspaper, the Pester Lloyd. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.0.91.99 (talk) 18:55, 25 June 2011 (UTC)

http://www.flixster.com/actor/peter-falk — Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.0.91.99 (talk) 18:52, 25 June 2011 (UTC)

Russians made many fake indentity/origin on ancestry.com

What on earth are you talking about? And just so we have this straight... I've provided you with a documented lineage of his Falk origins, and your response is to quote a bio from Flixster that doesn't even have his mother's maiden name correct. You betcha, I'm convinced. -- Trowbridge (talk) 19:01, 25 June 2011 (UTC)

documented lineage, hahaha , it is very "beliveable" docu-ment :)

Read this: http://ppgrainbow.livejournal.com and http://www.autograph-gallery.co.uk/acatalog/F29_Peter_Falk.html and http://www.notrecinema.com/communaute/stars/stars.php3?staridx=15725 http://jewage.org/wiki/he/Article:Peter_Michael_Falk_-_biography http://www.spiritus-temporis.com/peter-falk/ http://www.movietimes.ca/celebrity/Peter-Falk.html http://cycloppedia.com/view/peter-falk.html

All articles mentions Miksa (Maximilian) Falk as the great grandfather of Peter Falk.

There are 1100 English hits, webpages on google searcher, which state it.

You know how to use Google. I'm impressed. Yes, there are potentially hundreds of sites out there that also copied the information straight from the Wikipedia article. That doesn't make them reliable sources; it makes them circular references and therefore useless. The bottom line is this: Peter Falk's paternal grandfather was a Russian Jew named Louis. You continue to insist that Miksa Falk was the father of Louis Falk. So, you tell me which one of Miksa's sons (Frigyes, Ede or Erno) was somehow born in Russia, then converted to Judaism, changed his name to Louis, and emigrated to the USA. Once we've established that, then your theory might have some credibility. -- Trowbridge (talk) 19:20, 25 June 2011 (UTC)

Jewish not a religion only, but an ancestry, an ethnic group. The other: European Jewish people who lived in great cities/capital cities have foreign wifes cousins etc... in many European countries. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.0.91.99 (talk) 19:26, 25 June 2011 (UTC)

Moreover Jews of Budapest and Vienna often have more passports and citizenship too.

But this (http://www.hetek.hu/arcok/200710/az_uvegszemu_nyomozo_bucsuja) article states: " Peter Falk annak ellenére, hogy dédpapája Falk Miksa, a Pester Lloyd főszerkesztő-politikusa magyar, édesapja orosz, édesanyja kelet-európai zsidó származású volt, ő maga pedig New Yorkban született"

USE google translator! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.0.91.99 (talk) 19:32, 25 June 2011 (UTC)

This is insane. If you insist that this lineage is true, despite all evidence to the contrary, then WHAT IS THE LINEAGE??? Which one of Miksa's three sons -- Frigyes, Ede or Erno -- is Peter Falk's grandfather? Which one of them came to the USA, where he subsequently began claiming that his name was Louis and that he was of Russian Jewish ethnicity? PLEASE PROVIDE THIS INFORMATION so that the claim will be credible. -- Trowbridge (talk) 20:31, 25 June 2011 (UTC)

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