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Map, please
Koafv, I'm putting back a request for a map that shows the location and extent of these archipelagoes. The current one shows Australasia's location in relation to Southeast Asia. //Big Adamsky 02:10, 31 December 2005 (UTC)
The map is not clear where micronesia fits in to the world - I don't think the large map is the wole of the box on the inset.
-- Beardo 06:57, 13 March 2006 (UTC)
Fixed the inset box on the map. Kmusser 18:52, 18 April 2006 (UTC)
Commonality
The article badly needs a brief statement, early on, of why the concept was formed. In other words, what aspect(s) unites micronesia and distinguishes it from surrounding regions such as melanesia and polynesia? Culture, language, historic or ethnic origin...? Mglg 22:56, 16 August 2006 (UTC)
More important than the FSM?
I don't see why the geographic region can be considered more important that the FSM. I think this ought to go to a disambiguation page. Doopmeister 03:21, 18 August 2006 (UTC)
Asian or Aboriginal?
Are Micronesians considered Asian or Aboriginal? This is a serious question and I am not trying to offend people of either background. I ask because I know a fellow from this area and he said he is not asian. He said there is a word for his people but he couldn’t remember it at the time. I know Taiwan once and probably does still house a population of aboriginal people. (Ghostexorcist 12:27, 23 December 2006 (UTC))
- I'd say neither, although the word aboriginal may mean different things in different countries. In general, aboriginal means the people indigenous to a country, but specifically and capitalised it means (to me) the people native to Australia, who are Melanesian. I understand it also refers to Taiwanese aborigines. The distant ancestors of Micronesians came from South East Asia, and possibly from Taiwan, but they have a distinct group of languages and a distinct culture. I'd say they are not Asian just as native Americans are not Asian, although they originally came from Asia too.
- If you want more people to consider this question, try asking at the Humanities reference desk.-gadfium 18:00, 23 December 2006 (UTC)
New article for Micronesians
Should a new article be made for Micronesians? There's one for Melanesians and Polynesians and it seems odd to me that there are articles for those two and not one for Micronesians.Blaylockjam10 (talk) 06:54, 31 December 2010 (UTC)
Incoming links
While this article is all about the geographical region, there are many incoming links that are either referring to the Federated States of Micronesia, or unclear. Does that reflect that the geographical region isn't primary enough to be the primary topic for the word 'Micronesia'? Jeffrey (147.8.202.204) (talk) 15:15, 20 March 2012 (UTC)
- Your interpretation of many of the incoming links was challenged because it's subjective. While 'Federated States of Micronesia' (the country) may be accurate, it's not inaccurate to refer to the region instead in many cases. In order to change the primary topic of 'Micronesia', however, you'd need to establish that 'Micronesia' is the common name of the Federated States of Micronesia. It's certainly a widely used abbreviation but my analysis of sources shows that the full title is much more commonly used. As such, the country is at both its official and common name, leaving the title of Micronesia free to refer to the region. A dab page wouldn't be useful here, we already have a dab tag in the header of the page. – NULL ‹talk›
‹edits› 20:07, 20 March 2012 (UTC)
- Wrong incoming links don't exist only with disambiguation pages. It's just like links referring to the country Ireland (i.e. the ROI) but pointed incorrectly at [[Ireland]]. Jeffrey (202.189.98.142) (talk) 15:10, 23 March 2012 (UTC)
- Many of the links aren't 'wrong' though. Unclear links should not be changed unless evidence makes them clear (since the region of Micronesia is broader and fully encompasses the country of Micronesia), and links that are unambiguously intended to point to the country and not the region should be changed. In many cases the region is the desired target, however, not the country. It's not as simple as just going through anything that links to 'Micronesia' and changing it to the Federated States of Micronesia. – NULL ‹talk›
‹edits› 03:45, 24 March 2012 (UTC)
- Many of the links aren't 'wrong' though. Unclear links should not be changed unless evidence makes them clear (since the region of Micronesia is broader and fully encompasses the country of Micronesia), and links that are unambiguously intended to point to the country and not the region should be changed. In many cases the region is the desired target, however, not the country. It's not as simple as just going through anything that links to 'Micronesia' and changing it to the Federated States of Micronesia. – NULL ‹talk›
Some refs
Some newspaper references that should be useful for expanding the article:
- "THESE ISLANDS BAR U.S. PATH". News (Adelaide, SA : 1923 - 1954). Adelaide, SA: National Library of Australia. 1 January 1942. p. 5. Retrieved 12 December 2013.
- "MYSTERIOUS MICRONESIA IS PACIFIC BLIND SPOT". The Mercury (Hobart, Tas. : 1860 - 1954). Hobart, Tas.: National Library of Australia. 20 October 1944. p. 3. Retrieved 12 December 2013.
- "MICRONESIA". The Sydney Morning Herald (NSW : 1842 - 1954). NSW: National Library of Australia. 20 September 1913. p. 7. Retrieved 12 December 2013.
- "CORAL ATOLLS". The Sydney Morning Herald (NSW : 1842 - 1954). NSW: National Library of Australia. 14 January 1933. p. 9. Retrieved 12 December 2013.
- "Islands of Mystery". Nambour Chronicle and North Coast Advertiser (Qld. : 1922 - 1954). Qld.: National Library of Australia. 5 January 1945. p. 5. Retrieved 12 December 2013.
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Main Religion(s) Table Unclear
The table in Micronesia#Politics that states religion is a bit unclear; at one point it states "Roman Catholic, Buddhism 10.6%". Is this supposed to be referring to both combined equal 10.6% or are we just lacking something there?
Wikiuser271 (talk) 21:40, 27 May 2017 (UTC)
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Wake Island paragraph in Geography section.
Regardless of political status, shouldn't Wake Island be treated as part of Marshall Islands in the geography section? C933103 (talk) 11:18, 13 September 2017 (UTC)
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Map vs. Text, re: Nauru
The text includes Nauru as part of Micronesia. The map seems to exclude Nauru.
Is this something that should be changed?
EinkomischerKauz (talk) 02:36, 9 May 2018 (UTC)
Kiribati
I think only the Gilbert Islands are part of the Micronesia. Kiribati has other two islands groups: Phoenix Islands and Line islands that I think are in Polynesia. The article don't clarify this point. In fact the first paragraph is wrong. It tells that Line Islands form part of Micronesia when in the article of Kirabiti says form part of Polynesia Madalino (talk) 20:52, 14 December 2019 (UTC)
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By the miracle of parallelism
Politically, the islands of Micronesia are divided between six sovereign nations: the Caroline Islands are divided between the Republic of Palau and the Federated States of Micronesia, the latter often shortened to "FSM" or "Micronesia" and not to be confused with the overall region; the Gilbert Islands (along with the Phoenix Islands and Line Islands in Polynesia) comprise the Republic of Kiribati; the Mariana Islands are in union with the United States, divided between the U.S. Territory of Guam and the U.S. Commonwealth of the Northern Mariana Islands; Nauru is a fully sovereign nation, coextensive with the island of the same name; and the Republic of the Marshall Islands is coextensive with that island group.
Yuck. Big wall of text as a single sentence with no sense of parallelism whatsoever. For my own notes I reformatted as follows:
Politically, the islands of Micronesia are divided between six sovereign nations:
- Republic of Palau — Caroline Islands
- Federated States of Micronesia — Caroline Islands
- Republic of Kiribati
- Gilbert Islands
- Phoenix Islands
- Line Islands in Polynesia
- Mariana Islands are in union with the United States, divided between:
- U.S. Territory of Guam
- U.S. Commonwealth of the Northern Mariana Islands
- Nauru — coextensive with the island of the same name
- Republic of the Marshall Islands — coextensive with the island group of the same name
My the miracle of parallelism, my reformatted version has six primary bullet points to account for six sovereign nations, though I'm left wondering about the actual status of the Mariana Islands as a single sovereign element. — MaxEnt 19:52, 25 November 2020 (UTC)