Talk:Mia Khalifa

Why isn't there an image of the individual?

This is a biography, hence the individual's image should be included. If this is not the case, please explain why the image has not been used.Sheikbaba36524 (talk) 11:30, 20 February 2024 (UTC)

There was one here but it was deleted on 11/20/2023 in accordance with https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Deletion_requests/File:Mia_Khalifa_in_2019.png GamerKlim9716 (talk) 07:32, 2 June 2024 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 17 June 2024

In Personal Life, remove: In 2015, Khalifa stated that she was no longer a practicing Catholic.

and replace with:
She is a Catholic.

The archive url works with twitter.com but not x.com.
https://twitter.com/miakhalifa/status/1392973606909464576
https://web.archive.org/web/20210513224305/https://twitter.com/miakhalifa/status/1392973606909464576

Add the category: Category:Roman Catholics

First request (catholic lang.):  Not done as the claim she is not a practicing catholic is reliably sourced.

Second request (twitter link):  Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate.

Third request (category):  Done Added Lebanese Roman Catholic category.

P,TO 19104 (talk) (contribs) 21:47, 17 June 2024 (UTC)

The Twitter link is the source for the first and second request. It is a 2021 update on her religious status and is reliable source directly from Khalifa. Here is the updated request:

In Personal Life,

change: In 2015, Khalifa stated that she was no longer a practicing Catholic.

to:

She is a Catholic. Squaredtrig (talk) 23:41, 17 June 2024 (UTC)

@Squaredtrig: Good day: when Khalifa stated that she is "a catholic" that does not necessarily mean that the state meant "she is no longer a practicing catholic" is not true. That said, I did  Partly implement your request by clarifying that she still identifies as a Catholic. I think this is a fair compromise since both statements are true. P,TO 19104 (talk) (contribs) 19:44, 18 June 2024 (UTC)

@P,TO 19104: The edit is missing the word 'she' before still.

I'm also requesting to move a sentence from Personal Life to Career#Other work: In May 2023, Khalifa has been invited to speak at the Oxford Union and was featured on the front cover of Huck magazine under the headline "We Are All Mia Khalifa". Squaredtrig (talk) 21:22, 18 June 2024 (UTC)

@Squaredtrig: I fixed that minor error. ? What is your reason for requesting the removal of that sentence? P,TO 19104 (talk) (contribs) 21:27, 18 June 2024 (UTC)

@P,TO 19104: Not a removal, but to move it to Career. It fits better in that section.

Squaredtrig (talk) 21:33, 18 June 2024 (UTC)

@Squaredtrig: I'm sorry, I misread what you wrote. Yeah that's fine.  Done P,TO 19104 (talk) (contribs) 21:37, 18 June 2024 (UTC)

I undid this change. One could read "I'm catholic you twat" as a sarcastic retort to the common misconception that all Arabs are Muslims, especially since it was a direct reply to a tweet accusing Khalifa of "hat[ing] Christians". Saying Khalifa "identifies as a Catholic" goes beyond the intended meaning of the source IMO, and is too much of an exceptional claim to base on a single primary source. —Sangdeboeuf (talk) 00:19, 19 June 2024 (UTC)

"@Sangdeboeuf: Can "Khalifa stated that she was no longer a practicing Catholic" be changed to "Khalifa stated that she is a non-practicing Catholic"? It's closest to her statement in the BBC article. Squaredtrig (talk) 06:03, 21 June 2024 (UTC)

References

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 22 July 2024

Career

In May 2021 she featured a cameo on the music video of Bella Poarch's "Build a Bitch" along with other internet celebrities such as Valkyrae, Bretman Rock, Larray, and ZHC. Sunem21 (talk) 12:04, 22 July 2024 (UTC)

References

Suggestion to add real name

In the introduction and early life sections of the article, I suggest adding Mia Khalifa's real name, "Sarah Joe (BLP violation removed)." Mia herself has stated in an interview that she is not "Mia" but rather "Sarah Joe," which is also listed in her Instagram bio. Given that this information is publicly shared by Mia Khalifa, it seems appropriate to include her real name in the article.

Proposed changes:

• Introduction: Change "Mia Khalifa (/miːə kəˈliːfə/; Arabic: ميا خليفة Miyа̄ Ḵalīfah [mijaː χaliːfa(h)]; born 1993[1])" to "Mia Khalifa (/miːə kəˈliːfə/; Arabic: ميا خليفة Miyа̄ Ḵalīfah [mijaː χaliːfa(h)]; born Sarah Joe (BLP violation removed) in 1993[1])."
• Early life: Add a note that "Khalifa was born as Sarah Joe (BLP violation removed) in Beirut, Lebanon[1]..."

Sources:

• Instagram Bio: Mia Khalifa’s Instagram clearly lists her name as Sarah Joe (BLP violation removed).
• Interview Clip: A clip from the interview where Mia states her real name can be found on YouTube.
• Full Podcast: The full interview is available on Apple Podcasts, where the description also mentions her real name.

This would provide readers with accurate information about her real name while respecting her privacy and following Wikipedia's guidelines.

Thank you for considering this. Daniel Caspi (talk) 17:49, 27 August 2024 (UTC)

I've redacted the subject's last name, which is not mentioned on their Instagram as claimed. YouTube interviews and podcasts are self-published, so not usable unless published by the subject of the article. Without a good source for the full legal name, adding the personal name "Sarah Joe" is unencyclopedic trivia. We also can't assume someone's legal name is also their birth name.

Per WP:BLPNAME, When the name of a private individual has not been widely disseminated or has been intentionally concealed, such as in certain court cases or occupations, it is often preferable to omit it, especially when doing so does not result in a significant loss of context. Coverage in outlets such as Indy100, Newsweek, and Variety continues to refer to her solely by her stage name as of late 2023, and she still goes by "MiaKhalifa" or "Mia K." on her various social media accounts (Instagram, Twitch, Twitter, YouTube), so I don't see any confusion or loss of context in omitting her legal name here. —Sangdeboeuf (talk) 01:10, 28 August 2024 (UTC)

Thank you for the valuable feedback on my previous suggestion. I now understand that my initial proposal could have violated Wikipedia's BLP and NOR policies. As a new editor, I appreciate the guidance, which has helped me better grasp Wikipedia's standards.

After further research, I found reliable sources that support including Mia Khalifa's preferred name, "Sarah Joe." These sources not only confirm that this is her birth name but also highlight her preference to be called by it:

1. The Sun: States that Mia Khalifa currently prefers to go by her birth name.
2. LADbible: Discusses her addition of "Sarah Joe" to her Instagram bio, causing confusion among fans.
3. The Daily Wire: Mentions her birth name, adding credibility to its inclusion.

While her full name "Sarah Joe (BLP violation removed)" is mentioned in these sources, I believe it’s important to respect her preference to be known simply as "Sarah Joe," which is consistent with her birth name.

Thank you for considering this. Daniel Caspi (talk) 07:44, 28 August 2024 (UTC)

Hi, I forgot to add the links to the three sources mentioned in my previous message. Here they are:

• The Sun: States that Mia Khalifa currently prefers to go by her birth name. https://www.the-sun.com/news/8158459/mia-khalifa-ex-encouraged-me-to-do-porn-fetish/
• LADbible: Discusses her addition of "Sarah Joe" to her Instagram bio, causing confusion among fans. https://www.ladbible.com/entertainment/celebrity/mia-khalifa-real-name-instagram-bio-617250-20240502
• The Daily Wire: Mentions her birth name, adding credibility to its inclusion. https://www.dailywire.com/news/someone-should-remind-ex-porn-star-mia-khalifa-that-porn-same-sex-relationships-and-alcohol-are-banned-in-gaza

Daniel Caspi (talk) 07:49, 28 August 2024 (UTC)

The sources you listed are tabloids. Morbidthoughts (talk) 07:58, 28 August 2024 (UTC)

Concur that the above sources are not usable (FWIW, The Sun & LADbible simply call her "Mia", while The Daily Wire actually uses "Khalifa" throughout). Once again, the subject's supposed preference to be known by her birth name is certainly odd given that she uses some version of "Mia Khalifa" on all her social media accounts. —Sangdeboeuf (talk) 09:09, 28 August 2024 (UTC)

I want to thank the experienced editors for their feedback, which is helping me better understand Wikipedia's guidelines and improve my contributions.

I acknowledge that LADBIBLE and The Sun are entertainment news outlets and not generally considered reliable. However, they are relevant when discussing a public figure in the media and entertainment world like Mia Khalifa.

The Daily Wire, on the other hand, is a serious news outlet with a conservative perspective, not a tabloid.

More importantly, regardless of the debate over her birth or legal name, Mia Khalifa has publicly identified herself as "Sarah Joe" several times. She continues to present this name on her Instagram account, where she has 26 million followers. This shows that while she still uses "Mia Khalifa," she also publicly shares the name "Sarah Joe."

[Link to Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/miakhalifa/?hl=en] Daniel Caspi (talk) 09:32, 28 August 2024 (UTC)

By exclusively using Mia Khalifa's stage name, we risk overlooking her deliberate choice to also publicly identify as Sarah Joe. This choice reflects her agency in shaping her own narrative, balancing her professional persona with her personal identity. Acknowledging both names allows us to respect the complexity of her multifaceted character. Mia Khalifa is not just the adult actress who debuted with that name years ago; she is also a human being with a past and a personal life beyond her public persona. Since she has chosen to use both names on her widely followed profile, it’s appropriate that we recognize and acknowledge both as integral parts of her identity, past and present. Daniel Caspi (talk) 12:38, 28 August 2024 (UTC)

We don't have lower standards for reliable sources when it comes to public figures or people in entertainment. (Variety is an example of a reliable entertainment news outlet that is already cited in the article.) The Sun has been deprecated since 2019, and The Daily Wire is known for failing to fact-check their stories; see both listed at Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Perennial sources. The only discussion of LADbible on the reliable sources noticeboard generally endorses a view of the site as lowest common denominator clickbait content. The DW article is also an attack on Khalifa's views about Israel, which is an odd choice to support her personal identity.

If there are actual reliable sources for Khalifa's deliberate choice to also publicly identify as Sarah Joe, feel free to present them. So far the sources presented have not been reliable. Khalifa's Instagram profile includes "Sarah Joe" without context in the first line of the bio, but the actual name of the top of the profile is still "Mia K. (she/her)".

While BLP policy requires us to be sensitive to a subject's wishes to omit certain identifying information, there's no requirement that we include a subject's real or legal name. We also don't engage in original research about the nature of someone's multifaceted character. Rather, we use the name(s) preferred by a majority of published, reliable sources. —Sangdeboeuf (talk) 22:10, 28 August 2024 (UTC)

Thank you to the experienced editors for your thorough feedback and guidance throughout this discussion. After reflecting on your comments and the reliable sourcing standards that Wikipedia upholds, I realize that my initial argument had significant flaws. It's clear that the sources I provided do not meet the reliability criteria needed to substantiate the inclusion of "Sarah Joe" as part of Mia Khalifa's name in the article.

I now understand that, despite Mia Khalifa's use of "Sarah Joe" in some public contexts, without strong and reliable sourcing it would not be appropriate to include it in Wikipedia's article given the encyclopedic standards and character of the platform. Therefore, I agree that it is not necessary or appropriate to add "Sarah Joe" to the article at this time.

I appreciate the time and effort you all took to help me better understand Wikipedia's standards and practices. Your feedback has been valuable in improving my approach to editing on this platform.

Thank you once again, and I consider this discussion closed from my side.

Best regards,

Daniel Caspi (talk) [insert date and time] (UTC) Daniel Caspi (talk) 07:55, 29 August 2024 (UTC)