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Battle of the Alamo image

Regarding the image of Robert Jenkins Vanderdonk's Fall of the Alamo (under History -> Independence era (1808 - 1855), I see several issues with the caption. Firstly, the name of the battle in English is Battle of the Alamo, not Battle of El Álamo. Secondly, the description of the battle as being "between the Mexican army led by President Antonio López de Santa Anna and American slavers" is misleading at best. The fact that many of the leaders of the Texian force at the Alamo were slave owners is irrelevant to the battle itself, and the caption leads readers to believe (falsely) that slavery was the root cause of the battle. The Texas Revolution, which was one of many revolts against the Centralist Republic of Mexico, was a reaction against Santa Anna's dissolution of the Constitution of 1824 in 1835. While slavery had been outlawed by Mexico in 1829, the ban was largely ignored, and Mexico never made any attempts to confiscate slaves from the Texians.

The wording in the caption should be modified such that readers aren't misled as to the purpose of the Texas Revolution - a simple change to something like "Battle of The Alamo (1836), between the Mexican army led by President Antonio López de Santa Anna and Texian rebels" should suffice. 2601:C0:CA80:A5E0:4CF1:7EA1:62F9:A6DE (talk) 17:27, 28 May 2024 (UTC)

That stood out to me too. As written it suggests that the Texians were attempting to enslave the Mexicans. Ought to be changed to "Texian rebels," and those wishing to learn more about the origins of the Texas revolution can be linked to the appropriate article. Jbt89 (talk) 05:28, 9 June 2024 (UTC)

Both the title of the battle and the "American enslavers" bit in the Onderdonk caption are inaccurate. This is an American English article. "El Alamo" is not consistent with the language convention. The title of the painting for which this is a caption is "Fall of the Alamo," an accurate title if not an accurate representation of the event. Santa Anna's siege of the Alamo laid siege to Tejanos, Irish and Englishmen, as well as American men from the northern and southern United States, inside the walls. A few are known to have owned slaves. The vast majority, no.

Additionally, the image should be credited as "Fall of the Alamo" by Robert Jenkins Onderdonk, 1903. The Teocali work should be attributed to Leutze (1848), Three Guaranties credited to Bastin, Thomas & Richauld (1842).

Re: Vicente Guerrero - It should be noted that while he did use emergency power to issue a decreto abolishing slavery, the Isthmus of Tehuantepec was exempted (Mexico was seeking to import slaveowners to cultivate the region) and that Tejano leaders in Texas sought exemption and received it. It was not enforced and was thrown out when Guerrero left. Mexico did not unconditionally abolish slavery until 1837. Cbptx (talk) 01:19, 29 June 2024 (UTC)