Talk:Metal Gear Solid 4: Guns of the Patriots/Archive 6

Plot section requests after release

• Minor Query

Now it's released, Will the plot be updated on the American release, or updated as soon as someone who owns the game and contributes to wikipedia posts it? 91.106.13.86 (talk) 19:22, 11 June 2008 (UTC)

This will take care of itself. I'd imagine that many people who bought this game will be eager to update this article, so the only real problem is to make sure it looks all professional like. JayKeaton (talk) 19:25, 11 June 2008 (UTC)

• We need the plot part in this article, the game has already been released

Well, if anyone has this game and has finished it, please support the comunnity by adding the plot part —Preceding unsigned comment added by 148.202.47.24 (talk) 18:08, 13 June 2008 (UTC)

The game is lengthy and it needs someone skilled enough to professionally write a good plot outline. Don't wanna wait? Play the game. -del_deadeyes —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.193.181.84 (talk) 16:01, 14 June 2008 (UTC)

• Plot summary revisions

The plot summary that's there right now is missing some key parts and is rough around the edges overall... I've cleaned up the last paragraph and wrote a new first paragraph; what else should we do with it? Funkyhamster (talk) 19:01, 14 June 2008 (UTC)

• Game is already out

This title has already seen a release in Australia and New Zealand, so it is not an upcoming game it is already out. I am aware that Americans haven't got it yet and that Americans make up a large percentage of readers and editors here, but the fact is that it has already been released and the article needs to reflect this. JayKeaton (talk) 18:07, 11 June 2008 (UTC)

We have it now! Why is the article locked? I wanted to change some of the lies where it says you can't use rumble and so forth. Unlock it please! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Toastedrebel (talk • contribs) 15:33, 12 June 2008 (UTC)

Reviews

(reminder: you don't have to say the Reviews on the Discussion page, as long as you have a reliable source, and it meets Wikipedia guidelines, thanks) Ffgamera (talk) 11:07, 3 January 2009 (UTC)

• Gamespot 10.0

Gamespot give it a Perfect 10, Metal Gear Solid 4: Guns of the Patriots is the most technically stunning video game ever made. [1] —Preceding unsigned comment added by 201.78.204.37 (talk) 20:40, 13 June 2008 (UTC)

• Official Magazine

Konami has published a free digital magazine dedicated to Metal Gear Solid 4. It's available in multiple languages, so accessible. Suggest external link addition to the magazine. http://www.gamerzines.com/konami/mgs4/ This is an official magazine. CranberryPub (talk) 18:30, 16 June 2008 (UTC)

• X-Play review

X-Play gave it a 5 out of 5. [2] —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.61.222.72 (talk) 02:12, 17 June 2008 (UTC)

• Best Game of the Year

GameSpot has just declared that MGS4 is the best game for 2008, determined by a public survey. Should this be included in the article? source: http://au.gamespot.com/best-of/game-of-the-year/index.html?page=2&tag=nl.e573 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 121.45.251.198 (talk) 13:39, 27 December 2008 (UTC)

I just added Giant Bomb (see article) notable for ex-Gamespot editors website. --PS3 Addict (talk) 15:29, 28 December 2008 (UTC)

• German review of MGS4 to the weblinks

i just wanna add a german review of mgs4 to show how this game has been seen in other countrys —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ebay.Miguel (talk • contribs) 18:19, 3 July 2008 (UTC)

Your contributions are always welcome, but is that really necessary? What do you mean by other countries? This might be the English Wikipedia, but that is in no way the Anglo-American Wikipedia. Take a look at all the magazines and sources that were mentioned, international websites are mentioned but also European video game magazine Eurogamer and the Japanese Famitsu, let alone GameRankings and Metacritic, websites who themselves conclude other reviews and scores. --Soetermans | is listening | what he'd do now? 23:27, 7 July 2008 (UTC)

There is enough of links in reception section. --SkyWalker (talk) 11:31, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

Not to mention Edge, GamesMaster and OPM UK (and Eurogamer is NOT a magazine, its a site). Although I would consider wiki to be Anglo-American given that we have many articles that use British English provided the topic itself is from there (and Europe). Stabby Joe (talk) 13:00, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

Locations for the game

The 5 locations for the game are the middle east, south america, europe, alaska and the final setting is the ocean ( im guessing near alaska ). Anyway these five acts should be written in the article. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Michael2189 (talk • contribs) 22:18, 13 June 2008 (UTC)

The last two settings are Shadow Moses and Outer Haven (a ship like Arsenal Gear). Jonny2x4 (talk) 17:01, 14 June 2008 (UTC)

In the credits, they do say where they are. In the beginning, when Otacon is telling Snake where Liquid was spotted, he shows him a map. The map zooms in and points directly in the center of the Middle East. Where they were pointing, though no countries were outlined, was in Iraq. In the credits, they list locations where they were doing research, which reveals that that's where they were implied to be located. I wasn't paying attention very closely, but I remember 2 of the locations were Peru (South America stage) and the Czech Republic (Eastern Europe, even though the Czech Republic is technically in Central Europe, but it's culture is Eastern European, so whatever). Shadow Moses, like the game says, is in the Fox Archipelago in Alaska. And Outer Haven counts as a country in itself. ForestAngel (talk) 20:24, 10 July 2008 (UTC)

• River Volta

While the third chapter takes place in Eastern Europe, there is reference in the plot section to "the River Volta", which is located in Africa. Is there another river by this name, or is it possibly a fictional place? 24.3.14.157 (talk) 20:35, 19 June 2008 (UTC)

It is a fictional place. Probably intended to represent the Volga. --Daniel J. Leivick (talk) 21:19, 19 June 2008 (UTC)

Is worth mention that the Kojima Productions team went to the Prague (among other locations)in the Czech Republic for background research, so the "Volta River" from the game could be a bad traslation of the Vltava river, an actual european river in the Czech Republic. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mr.Wulf (talk • contribs) 10:43, 10 July 2008 (UTC)

According to the credits, the 'Middle East' location was actually Morocco. Herr Gruber (talk) 07:08, 5 March 2009 (UTC)

Alright, the grammar in the plot section is getting ridiculous

I noticed that someone went through and completely changed my revisions to the last part of the plot summary, and in the process introduced even more flawed grammar. If you're going to edit the plot, please make sure you're writing professionally and not making egregious grammar errors. Funkyhamster (talk) 02:37, 19 June 2008 (UTC)

Yeah i really have to agree with this guy. I made an account today for the sole purpose of editing the Plot section. Not only does it miss major events in the game but the grammar is beyond a joke. Thomas087 (talk) 17:28, 19 June 2008 (UTC)

I added and revamped your work (Funkyhamster), but don't go blaming some"one" when a number of people have changed both of our entries since, so if it is "so" bad as you say it is why not change it? (Next bit Directed at thomas) I added most relevent plot points, Nomad, the Ai's, Naomi, "the walking time bomb", the virus etc and expanded each section. --WarDragon (talk) 17:44, 19 June 2008 (UTC)

I guess the typo`s made it rather less... "relevent"

Ehh, I'm new to editing wikipedia, and I didn't want to start any edit wars or anything. Sorry if I sound whiny; I intend to help polish it up as soon as I get a chance. Oh and Wardragon what did you change from the stuff I wrote? I don't see anything different, but thanks anyways since I'm sure you fixed some stuff. Funkyhamster (talk) 23:41, 19 June 2008 (UTC)

Sorry its just that some people forget its a site that allow multiple users to edit, and i was just highlighting that =P Not wanting to hurt or cause offense, sorry. --WarDragon (talk) 11:24, 20 June 2008 (UTC)

• Storyline Section edits

I just made a number of edits to the storyline section in order to clear up a few issues. I tried to correct some of the most egregious grammatical and spelling errors, and tried to add some context to a few of the sections (explaining briefly what SOP is, for instance, since the rest of the story doesn't really make sense without that knowledge). I also added what relevant information I could to make the summary more complete.Logical Hare (talk) 05:55, 20 June 2008 (UTC)

This entire section needs a reworking, I think. I changed one line that really annoyed me (the one about Big Boss dying) because of bad grammar. But the section is still too long. Compare with Metal Gear Solid 3: Snake Eater#Plot or Metal Gear Solid#Plot. I personally don't have the time, but I know there are those who do. :D Genome82 (talk) 07:18, 27 June 2008 (UTC)

One thing about the very end where it says ocelot and sunny accompany him, we don't know if sunny went with them, it is not confirmed and Kojima himself made sure Sunny's dialogue at the last scene when cooking eggs was vague enough that the player could make their own assumptions, my source is the blu-ray disc that comes with the LE. Drebin893 (talk) 04:46, 28 June 2008 (UTC)

Don't worry guys! Nucleos to the rescue! I'll fix everything. Might take me a while though Nucleos 17:21, 8 February 2009 (UTC)

"Sequels" Section

The text in the "Sequels" section seems to be redundant. It is mentioned at least twice that "Metal Gear must live on" and "Hideo Kojima will not direct anymore". 216.236.163.21 (talk) 20:41, 22 June 2008 (UTC)

That is because Hideo Kojima is very hesitant on whether to stay or leave the MGS franchise. And it is just to prove a sequel/prequel and not to simply repeat information.Ffgamera (talk) 11:47, 17 September 2008 (UTC)

It has been fixed, in part by me, but mostly by others.Ffgamera (talk) 10:29, 10 October 2008 (UTC)

Ok, it is the end of the Metal Gear Saga but not the franchise, so there remains a possibility that he will make a prequel but remove the sequel section please, only fanboys would put that in. Nucleos (talk 17:14, 8 February 2009 (UTC)

Sales figures.

I have updated the article with total sales figures. See here: http://www.gamespot.com/news/6193056.html?action=convert&om_clk=latestnews&tag=latestnews;title;0

Someone please rephrase my Sales section edit because it doesn't sound right.

Thx. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Everydaypanos (talk • contribs) 00:13, 27 June 2008 (UTC)

Spoilers

Come on guys! This game it is all about the story. If someone who wanted to play this game who was a huge MGS fan just accidentally graced a few work int he plot summery, the whole story could be completely ruined. I don't see how a rough outline of the story wouldn't be just as effective. Hell, it doesn't even have a spoiler tag. People who have added and edited the plot details have done so just so they can get their bit on wikipedia as opposed to it actually being needed (this is apparent from the massive grammar flaws seen in the history of this page). Even the notes at the bottom of the page completely ruin the big surprise.

Please do something about this, either add a spoiler tag or seriously dull it down considerably. This game is only a 8.5-9/10 without the story. Don't ruin it for everyone who hasn't had the pleasure in enjoying it for themselves. Pinothyj (talk) 05:58, 15 July 2008 (UTC)…

We don't use spoiler tags here. If you don't want to know the story, do not read the section labeled "plot". - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire | past ops) 06:49, 15 July 2008 (UTC)

::Why not? This generation of Metal Gear games are interspersed with FMV/Cutscenes to strengthen the storyline - making it very much like a playable motion-picture. Many motion picture articles on this site carry a Spoiler tag so why should this be different? --hubare (talk) 09:13, 22 July 2008 (UTC).... Nevermind --hubare (talk) 09:16, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

I must agree with Pinothyj . I just overlooked the article before I played the game , I expected spoilers would be indicated in a tag but it wasn't . So I discovered Bigboss was alive before I played the game . Later I added a spoiler tag and someone removed it. So I might classify as one of the victims of the absence of a spoiler tag (since I hope there would be one to warn me). But it shocks me more to see the resistance people have to let a spoiler tag in this page. --Z E U S (talk) 18:51, 19 July 2008 (UTC)

Consensus can be a pain, but just the way the cookie crumbles... --Soetermans | is listening | what he'd do now? 23:13, 19 July 2008 (UTC)

Remember, this is an encyclopedic article. Wouldn't be very encyclopedic to leave out spoilers would it? Mwutz (talk) 09:48, 20 July 2008 (UTC)

See WP:Spoiler. --Silver Edge (talk) 10:10, 20 July 2008 (UTC)

I added a Warning: Spoilers edit. Bahahs —Preceding unsigned comment added by Bahahs (talk • contribs) 00:41, 9 April 2009 (UTC)

Development Information

We should use more information from the Document of Metal Gear Solid 4 to flesh out the Development section, which right now is pretty bland compared to the Development section of, say, Metroid Prime. 76.65.24.113 (talk) 21:13, 16 July 2008 (UTC)

The Development section is now complete Ffgamera (talk) 11:21, 3 January 2009 (UTC)

Series first?

is it not worth mentioning (and correct me if i'm wrong) that this is the 1st time the protagonist Snake has piloted a Metal Gear. --hubare (talk) 06:01, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

No. WP:NOTABILITY and WP:INDISCRIMINATE. We don't add that is the first time that Snake throws up either. --Soetermans | is listening | what he'd do now? 11:06, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

Not a particularly good analogy. Bearing in mind the whole series revolves (in most part) about the protagonist's relationship with destroying the titular vehicle, pointing out that he has taken the helm of a Metal Gear (after 20 years/7 games of battling them) is slightly more noteworthy than if he vomited. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Hubare (talk • contribs) 14:16, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

I absolutely do agree with you that there is a certain element in that particular story part - Snake behind the wheels, but unless a valid authority has mentioned anything about it there are no grounds for adding it, on account of WP:OR. But if you can find any source that'll support this I'm with you! --Soetermans | is listening | what he'd do now? 21:51, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

Rumor - Possible New Ending opened on December 12th?

Is it worth noting an internet rumor? There is a rumor going around the internet saying that the game will have new content opened up on December 12th (6 months after the release of the game) to follow along with the story (it was said that Snake had 6 months to live) and your PS3 clock must be sync via the internet to avoid people just setting their clocks ahead.DeGarmo2 (talk) 19:03, 7 August 2008 (UTC)

Sorry Eagle, this isn't crystal balling. DeGarmo asked a question for the article, a genuine answer should be given.

To give you a proper answer, no. On account of Wikipedia not being a crystal ball. Right now, there's only a rumor. If Konami or Kojima would give any info on the subject, that might give reason to add it. --Soetermans | is listening | what he'd do now? 23:01, 9 August 2008 (UTC)

News to me. Besides, 6 months was the FOXDIE lifespan remember? But the FOXDIE was uprooted, so he would have a year at best to live therefore. And these sort of rumours sound like the rumours about MGS4 being for 360.Ffgamera (talk) 11:50, 17 September 2008 (UTC)

That's your own interpretation. And it still boils down to it being a rumour. There needs to be some sort of reputable source. - Zero1328 _Talk? 13:40, 18 September 2008 (UTC)

http://www.psxextreme.com/ps3-news/4064.html says that Konami officially denied this rumor. Ffgamera (talk) 00:46, 9 November 2008 (UTC)

Nope, it is unoffical and denied. Bahahs

Question

"Metaru Gia Soriddo 4 Ganzu obu za Patoriotto"

Is that Katakana? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.191.165.216 (talk) 00:35, 27 August 2008 (UTC)

idk what you're asking. Katakana is a type of script. What you've quoted is a transliteration of Metal Gear Solid 4: Guns of the Patriots so that its pronouncable in the Japanese language. If you're asking how it should be written, then yes, it's katakana, because these are loan words.(Myscrnnm (talk) 02:54, 27 August 2008 (UTC))

Metal Gear Solid: Existence

www.siliconera.com has confirmed Konami's name of the new MGS4 sequel.http://www.siliconera.com/2008/09/19/a-new-metal-gear-solid-game-exists/ and at http://kotaku.com/5052136/konami-registers-metal-gear-solid-existence This may just be a codename like Longhorn was for Vista.

It has been registered on the Japanese game database by Konami. Is it okay to add this information? Ffgamera (talk) 08:41, 24 September 2008 (UTC)

There is not much information it can be added on other page not in this article.--SkyWalker (talk) 09:04, 24 September 2008 (UTC)

Could it be added to the Sequel's section?Ffgamera (talk) 06:33, 29 September 2008 (UTC)

Per Wikipedia is not a crystal ball, no. We don't know anything factual about a next MGS title, so we can't add it either. --Soetermans | is listening | what he'd do now? 19:49, 3 October 2008 (UTC)

True, thanks for reading though. I appreciate it.Ffgamera (talk) 11:46, 6 October 2008 (UTC)

By the way, this is just the name of a game registered in the game database, and not necessarily the sequel to MGS4.Ffgamera (talk) 10:30, 10 October 2008 (UTC)

I hope and believe, that "Metal Gear Solid - Existance" is just an "addon" for GotP. Look the titles: Metal Gear Solid 2 - Sons of Liberty was called "Substance". Snake Eater become "Subsistance". It's just logical to think, that "Existance" will be the "gold version" of the last Metal Gear Solid part. Maybe with VR-Training Missions or any other stuff. Do u guys got news about it? --213.162.65.111 (talk) 15:53, 16 December 2008 (UTC)

No, it is called Metal Gear Solid: Existence, not Metal Gear Solid 4: Existence. Ffgamera (talk) 13:05, 3 January 2009 (UTC)

Assessment as of 2008-10-14

Article remains B-class. Development section still has a clear expand tag on it, and the bulk of the article, it's plot, doesn't have any citations that I can see.--Kung Fu Man (talk) 03:35, 15 October 2008 (UTC)

Definitely needs cleanup and rearranging, article also seems to be subject to vandalism here and there. Also, I would like to to point out that the Reception section has two sub headings: Commercial, which details the game's commercial reception, and critical, which details the game's critical reception so that it looks like this:

• Reception

Commercial

(The game sold...etc.)

Critical

(The game received critical acclaim...etc.)

but for some reason someone keeps changing the main Reception heading to Critical reception and the sub heading Critical to reviews so thats it looks like this

• Critical Reception

Commercial

Reviews

Could someone please find this person and tell him to stop. Finally I would like to ask if its possible to Semi-Protect this page from IPs due to its importance in the gaming community and therefore persistent vandalism. JTBX (talk) 23:43, 22 October 2008 (UTC)

Which person?.--117.192.129.174 (talk) 10:26, 2 November 2008 (UTC)

No, the page is better off in the format you have disagreed on. "Critical" is not good wording by itself. Ffgamera (talk) 13:10, 3 January 2009 (UTC)

Yes it is. 'Critical reception' makes no sense with the subheading 'commercial' under it. The subheadings under the structure JTBX suggested are better.

Parse them as: Reception: 1. In terms of sales 2. By critics. Anything else suggests all buyers are critics, and you'll have to find me a biiiiig citation before I'm prepared to accept that. Herr Gruber (talk) 06:50, 5 March 2009 (UTC)

filled with cut scenes?

Part of the article reads, The game is filled with cut scene "flashbacks" (although they're not actually cut scenes, but still photos of past events, locations, or characters)

So then why dont you just say filled with still photos? Or reword it in someway. The current phrasing is just stupid. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 205.133.129.251 (talk) 18:10, 11 November 2008 (UTC)

And why don't you try editing it yourself instead of labelling the current version as stupid?--Eaglestorm (talk) 18:49, 11 November 2008 (UTC)

Because a flashback means that it literally flashes back and by back, it means in the past. And a flashback has the meaning of being a scene, rather than a picture. It isn't filled with still pictures. it is filled with flashback pictures. Ffgamera (talk) 08:21, 25 November 2008 (UTC)

Plot section

Please seriously consider what can be done to reduce the plot section. I know from having playing MGS2 (but haven't barely touched this) that this series can have convoluted plots, however, please review WP:WAF and WP:NOT#PLOT, as this is simply too long. The fact that it is broken down by Acts is the first sign that something can be fixed; consider a plot in the right chronological order, not necessary as the player experiences it, cut down trivial details, etc. I have seen other editors now pointing to this article to justify longer plots in articles that really don't need them. (If I have played the game, I'd be all over cutting down the plot myself, but I haven't). --MASEM 12:34, 23 November 2008 (UTC)

If you've played MGS4, you'd have a different opinion on this. MGS4 has one the most worked plots in video game or even film history. It has extreme detail, and it is critically acclaimed for its plot. However, I agree that it is just a bit too much. It needs to be slightly shorter, even though I can find no way of doing so, because removing any part of it will remove important events. Ffgamera (talk) 08:18, 25 November 2008 (UTC)

I've read and re-read the plot section. There's nothing we can do, except change around a few words. Ffgamera (talk) 02:53, 30 November 2008 (UTC)

Even if it is one of the most worked plots, there are ways to trim it down. I could point to Okami as another game with a nuanced plot that could go as long as this, but I was able to work that plot to the key overall details into a few paragraphs - enough to establish the game to the non-VG reader to understand the rest of the article. What I've skimmed of the text, it itself is trimmed down to the best english possible to describe the text, so it's now a matter of considering what concepts are important here.

Some things to consider:

• Keep in mind the overall plot, ignoring any flashbacks or the like; what is the first chronologically significant point, and where is the last?
• Who are the most important characters that drive the overall plot? Characters that appear for a few scenes but are killed or leave after that are likely not important. Similarly, not every setting, item, or setpiece is going to be this important.
• Ignore the boundaries set by the acts. From what I'm seeing, it's not that these aren't chronological, but they do seem to force the plot to this. It is worthwhile to consider an act per paragraph if that helps organize things.
• Remember the reader is not expected to be at all familiar with any MGS history or maybe not a video game player in the first place. There are a lot of terms (and yes, I realize that that's inherent of the system). Consider looking for terms that are used once, maybe twice, and consider what can be done to ignore introduction of Yet Another Term or Acronym.

Again, if I've had more time to get any farther in the game than the first hour, I'd be able to suggest a way. I'm looking at MGS2 which I did finish and I can tell you that can be compressed appropriately, so I fully expect the same here. --MASEM 19:34, 1 December 2008 (UTC)

I agree the section is too long, it's better only a resumed plot. --PS3 Addict (talk) 15:19, 23 December 2008 (UTC)

Well, if you disagree on it so much, why don't you attempt to edit it yourself? Ffgamera (talk) 13:13, 3 January 2009 (UTC)

Look, put it this way: if it were me who wrote the Plot section, I would have struggled to make it any shorter than 2 times as long as what it is now. Ffgamera (talk) 03:16, 5 January 2009 (UTC)

I don't understand why the Plot section has been flagged as being too long. If anything it probably isn't long enough. This game tells so much story.69.23.137.224 (talk) 05:52, 6 April 2009 (UTC)

I edited it a lot (twice now). I think we should just add a registered users only editing tag. And I think the plot thing should be removed now. The game does have FIVE acts! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Bahahs (talk • contribs) 00:43, 9 April 2009 (UTC)

Resolution Disputes (*NOT* RESOLVED, but no more!!!)

(Please keep ALL Resolution talk here. Stop making new sections about it, thanks) Ffgamera (talk) 11:07, 3 January 2009 (UTC)

• infobox resolution: "Please do NOT change this anymore."

what is this? who do you think you are this is not how wikipedia works! wikipedia's policy is "if you don't want your edit mercillesly reverted do not submit anything to wikipedia". the truth is this editor enters false unsourced info. on top of this he uses biaised source, an anonymous post on an average forum is not a valid source. there is no official confirmation for the actual resolution (unlike as in halo 3 and haze cases). Cliché Online (talk) 17:39, 15 January 2009 (UTC)

the editor falconx5/fin used a fake source, first of all this is a blog quoting an anonymous guy claiming to be the only one to know the native source of games, in this case the source is about a beta version of Metal Gear Online not Metal Gear solid 4 and this is a beta version not at all the release build AND on top of this MGS4 itself was not even released by the time this self-proclaimed "tech expert" opened his mouth on the beyond3d forum. how did Quaz51 found out the native resolution? he took a screenshot frame from an of off-screen SD video teaser and counted the screenshot's pixel one by one? ridiculous. the truth is this guy don't have a clue. Cliché Online (talk) 18:14, 15 January 2009 (UTC)

oh the source is now Psx3extreme.com, a guy called called "arnold matayev" on a mere fansite, lol. the guy use no source but him... this is not what wikipedia calls a reliable source or i could post a different resolution on my blog and quote myself on wikipedia as source lol or use THIS source from an established VG website: Gamespot claims "We also couldn't confirm what resolution MGO was running at, whereas MGS4 was definitely doing its thing in full 1080p." bleh!! :P Cliché Online (talk) 18:02, 15 January 2009 (UTC)

1024x768? Come on everyone knows its rendered at native 1920x1080p. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.108.234.37 (talk) 09:52, 18 January 2009 (UTC)

PSX3extreme is not a reliable source, an unknown guy from a fansite calling the resolution without any explanations of method used to measure the resolution is just a joke. I changed the resolution to 720p. Ijn doubt, we should follow official statement from Kojima Productions/Konami on the box of the game --PS3 Addict (talk) 13:33, 25 January 2009 (UTC)

User:Falcon9x5 is claiming the dispute is resolved with a unreliable source. I ask people to revert. --PS3 Addict (talk) 14:00, 25 January 2009 (UTC)

As I've stated before, the back of the box is not a reliable source. It shows what the game's output resolution is, not its native resolution. Why is the PS3extreme source unreliable? I see no problem with it, it describes the native resolution clearly. Thanks! Fin©™ 18:09, 25 January 2009 (UTC)

• What is the games native resolution?

The resolution that should be listed is the one that the game renders at before being up/downscaled according to console settings. I read awhile ago that the game would be in 720p, has that been confirmed? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Skeith (talk • contribs) 17:09, 12 June 2008 (UTC)

Now the game is released it would be known and added.--SkyWalker (talk) 17:51, 12 June 2008 (UTC)

Well the back of the game says 1080p. I'm guessing it's native resolution is 1080p.--Yankeeboy1865 03:33, 19 June 2008 (UTC)

At the back of the European and Australia, New Zealand game, it says 720p.Ffgamera (talk) 10:31, 10 October 2008 (UTC)

• HD format

On the box, it says 480p, 720p, and 1080i/p. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Kascnef82 (talk • contribs) 21:14, 15 June 2008 (UTC)

The back of the box is not a reliable source. As far as I know, the back of GTA IV also has 480p, 720p and 1080i/p, but it actually runs at 640p. Fin©™ 23:16, 15 June 2008 (UTC)

pal box says it's 720p. they mean you can upscale native 720p to 1080i/p on some tvs. but for example mine (full hd) will only display native resolution, ie 720 not 1080. Cliché Online (talk) 08:37, 17 June 2008 (UTC)

I can verify that it runs in 1080p on my tv, which displays the current resolution with the push of a button. LocrialTheSequel (talk) 05:17, 18 June 2008 (UTC)

What it runs at isn't the question, is what the game itself renders at before being upscaled by the PS3Skeith (talk) 17:00, 19 June 2008 (UTC)

Let me try to help you with this. If his TV mode is in NATIVE 1080p mode, then ONLY 1080P will play on it, period. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.108.188.154 (talk) 07:09, 29 August 2008 (UTC)

the game runs in 1080p that's all. i have a full hd tv and the us version of the game, i can post a picture of my samsung display saying 1920x1080p@60Hz if anyone is interested. games with lower reoslutions like motorstorm pr and lbp are running at 720p on the same tv. gt5p and wipeout hd are also 1080p by the way. Cliché Online (talk) 14:35, 29 November 2008 (UTC)

Anecdotal evidence is not suitable for use as a source. If you want to add 1080p as the native resolution, please provide a reliable and verifiable source. Thanks! Fin©™ 19:18, 29 November 2008 (UTC)

• Native Resolution

I posted a similar comment for Metal Gear Online, thought I'd make the same comment here too. I have seen many articles, including this one, incorrectly state the games display resolutions as their native resolutions. Consoles are not like a PC where the resolutions the game renders in changes when you change resolutions. Native resolution would be the resolution in which the game is internally rendered and is fixed. The display resolution would be whatever mode it displays in, after the console upscales or downscales the image appropriately. MGO has a native resolution of 1024x768, to which the closest 16:9 resolution is 1182x665 (665p). I'm not sure what MGS4's native resolution is, but it may well be the same as MGO. Either way, it's display resolutions are those listed as "native resolution", plus 1080i and 1080p. 82.23.133.96 (talk) 02:18, 18 June 2008 (UTC) (I forgot to login when I posted this! - Thinkharder (talk) 22:00, 18 June 2008 (UTC))

lol 665? did you find it at random, where is your *source* pal? Cliché Online (talk) 18:46, 1 March 2009 (UTC)

• Metal Gear Solid 4 (PS3) runs in 1080p resolution

It appears that Metal Gear Solid 4 is truly running at 1080p resolution. There is no upscale performed as the PS3 detects the game as being 1080p. The box states that it is a 720p game? Confusion or is it just a misprint on the box? 159.167.2.77 (talk) 15:53, 1 July 2008 (UTC)

I have the US version and 1080p is on the back cover, the game runs in 1080p (default output not forced PS3 upscale) on my full hd tv. it seems the PAL version is 720p by default can anyone confirm this please? Synchronicity I (talk) 13:56, 13 July 2008 (UTC)

I have the spanish PAL version and it plays by default in 1080p. The back cover does say "720p", but given the circumstances I just don't know why. HighLight43 (talk) 17:37, 16 September 2008 (UTC)

It was intended to be 720p but there seems to be some sort of last minute resolution change.Ffgamera (talk) 11:48, 17 September 2008 (UTC)

• 720p?? >> 1080p

Why is the game resolution 720p? An idiot came and entered 720p and that's it? Everyone knows the game's video output is 1080p. Not only it is mentioned on the game is product page on the Japanese and HK PlayStation Store but it is also written on the backcover of the US edition's package. also it only requires to insert the game disc on a PS3 an to plug it through HDMI to a full HD 1080p TV to check the video "info/display" feature: "1980x1080@60Hz". the question is the game is 1080p, everyone knows it is 1080p but a jealous xbox fanboy wrote "720p" with no source and the article is stuck to 720p everytime i correct it?! this is nothing but vandalism. Cliché Online (talk) 20:03, 28 December 2008 (UTC)

Please read WP:V. The back of the box is not a source. What resolution it plays on your TV (or anyone's TV) is not a source. A forum (unless it's that forum that counts the pixels) is not a source. Thanks! Fin©™ 12:03, 29 December 2008 (UTC)

The playstation store would be considered a correct source since the game is made by Konami, playstation is in no way involved with the game therefore the playstation store is a 3rd party repuitable site and a source.Auronx1000 (talk) 06:54, 30 December 2008 (UTC)

Have you read WP:V and WP:RS? Just because a game outputs in 720p/1080p doesn't mean the game's native resolution is the same. Look at Haze and GTA IV (PS3). Thanks! Fin©™ 13:16, 30 December 2008 (UTC)

Of course i have read WP:V and WP:RS, thats why i stated the loop hole above, the game can output in 420p, 720p, 1080i, and 1080p. Its native resolution IS 1080p, the only people who are contesting that are vandals and xbox fanboys. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Auronx1000 (talk • contribs) 20:58, 30 December 2008 (UTC)

If you've read them then please supply an appropriate source with evidence that it is 1080p native. Thanks! Fin©™ 21:55, 30 December 2008 (UTC)

Ok, i shall, since theres no sources that state its 720p, once i post my refrence(s) you wont be able to undo without it bieng vandalism.Auronx1000 (talk) 01:38, 31 December 2008 (UTC)

Auronx1000, please stop generalizing that whatever vandalism being done here is the handiwork of Xbox fanboys, and drop the arrogance act you're trying to pull by saying an editor 'wont be able to undo without it bieng vandalism.' I hope this thread will be the last one concerning MGS4's resolution. Thank you. --Eaglestorm (talk) 01:50, 31 December 2008 (UTC)

Vandalism is done by many people, fanboy or not, and is something that is inherent in the wikipedia system, i am simply trying to do my part to have wikipedia contain the TRUTH, and as long as foolhardy and unchanging people continue to change the native resolution to 720p there will always be a native resolution thread. Not that im propogating an edit war, im merely stating the truth.Auronx1000 (talk) 02:56, 31 December 2008 (UTC)

Right from WP:V - "The threshold for inclusion in Wikipedia is verifiability, not truth". Thanks! Fin©™ 03:04, 31 December 2008 (UTC)

Well which rules take superiority WP:IAR and WP:UCS are also wikipedia rules, that, in this instance go against WP:V. I dont care about the rules and have read few of them, rules dont matter, improving wikipedia does.Auronx1000 (talk) 05:40, 31 December 2008 (UTC)

This isn't a point where rules should be discarded.

• You changed the resolution to 1080p.
• I asked for a source.
• You've yet to supply a WP:V source.

I don't see any complications. Also, the lowest native resolution is can be is 720p - you don't need a source for that, but you need a source for 1080p, as not many games run at it. Thanks! Fin©™ 12:59, 31 December 2008 (UTC)

"the lowest native resolution is can be is 720p - you don't need a source for that, but you need a source for 1080p" false!! you're a sophist, the game's native resolution could be 640p or 585p look at hlo 3 and ninja gaiden 2! you have no source for 720p, you need one the same way one is needed for 1080p, the issue is there are already sources for 1080p but you're the only one denying them. Cliché Online (talk) 18:53, 1 March 2009 (UTC)

• 1080p >> Here comes the source

[3] this is a picture of my TV full HD showing displaying the game at 1920x1080p, non 1080p games are displayed at 720p on PS3 unlike the XBox360 which upscales everything to 1080p by adding an infamous blur filter from halo's 640p to ninja gaiden's 585p. on ps3, bad company, mirror's edge and killzone beta are 720p, but GT5P, wipeout, a ton of japan only games you haven't heard before BUT I HAVE IMPORTED are 1080p, and MGS4 is 1080p as well. You have no sources 720p and I have a ton of valid sources for 1080p! Cliché Online (talk) 14:10, 4 January 2009 (UTC) (Attacking other users won't help get your point across Ffgamera (talk) 03:20, 5 January 2009 (UTC))

As I've said on your talk, what your TV displays is not a source. Not sure how I can make that clearer. Thanks! Fin©™ 14:13, 4 January 2009 (UTC)

_Bull, where's your source for 720p??? you have nothing bring it on! by the way here's another source of mine here and there. these are the box package's back, you have nothing to show for 720p you are a nothing but a vandal. Cliché Online (talk) 14:34, 4 January 2009 (UTC)

__The PAL box shows 720p. Why would they put 720p on the PAL box if it's 1080p native? Thanks! Fin©™ 14:38, 4 January 2009 (UTC)

the reason is quite simple einstein, they made a mistake on the box duh!!! how amzing it is!! if you had a ps3, and the game with you, and a full hd 1080p you woukld know the game is actually 1080p but you're just a stubborn xbox fanboy without a ps3 and without a clue. now look at this another source, the official PlayStation Store product page, this is a 3rd party published source, because the game was published by konami and the ps store is by sony. so? Cliché Online (talk) 14:46, 4 January 2009 (UTC)

___*sigh* Native resolution is just one resolution, not four (as you've linked to). I did a bit of digging and found the native resolution is actually 1024x768, as shown on the Beyond3D forum which you yourself used as a source when adding Ninja Gaiden II's native resolution. It's known to be reliable too - I've seen it quoted on Kotaku and Joystiq. Thanks! Fin©™ 14:58, 4 January 2009 (UTC)

____So, in other words, the Native Resolution is 768p. Ffgamera (talk) 02:52, 5 January 2009 (UTC)

• FalconX5/Fin is a fanboy vandal

now he finally revealed his source, an average post on a ridiculous pixels counter forum with no credit at all (who's the author? how did he made to be sure about is pixels? etc. RIDICULOUS!), by the way now FalconX5/Fin moved from 720p to 1028, you're funny boy! hey why 1029? are you sure about 1028?! Cliché Online (talk) 15:01, 4 January 2009 (UTC)

Beyond3D is the source used on both GTA IV (which has a PC world source, which got its info from PS3Fanboy, which got its info from Beyond3D) and on Ninja Gaiden II (which has N4G, which got its info from Beyond3D), which you yourself added. It's actually 1024x768, not 1028. Thanks! Fin©™ 15:06, 4 January 2009 (UTC)

and? come on kid, even my grand mother can register a fancy nickname like quazar and says hey boys and girls i've done it, i've counted the pixel numbers on a picture of my tv screen woohoo!! believe me i'm the queen! sorry but your source is not what wikipedia calls a valid source. besides wikipedia says that not all published sources are valid (hopefully). by the way, tell us what made you change from 720p to 1028? huh? is it 1028p or 1028i, are you sure about 1028 not 1029? you are ridiculous as your source is. forums are not a valid source because of people like you. Cliché Online (talk) 15:17, 4 January 2009 (UTC)

Don't be so dense, transparent, ignorant, angry, and just plain uncivil to every other user. There's no such thing is 1029i/p, and we have to have rules because of this kind of uncivility. It is just an article. No need to curse and frustrate about it. If you're really unhappy about it, try arguing constructively, rather than just attacking everyone you see. Best regards, Ffgamera (talk) 03:31, 5 January 2009 (UTC)

• WARNING: Please keep civil and polite

Please stay polite until we can find a very reliable source (such as the Konami website, or PlayStation website). Until then, please leave it as 720p/1080p (disputed). Thanks. Best regards, Ffgamera (talk) 03:08, 5 January 2009 (UTC)

Not wanting to be difficult, but the Konami and PlayStation websites can't really be considered reliable in this case. For example, the Microsoft Halo 3 website says 1080p, when Halo 3 actually runs at 640p - it's rare that a company will comment on a game's native resolution (I know Bungie have, I think Free Radical did with Haze). I found two reliable sources I think - one is the PSXExtreme review, another is a VideoGaming24/7 article (which uses the Beyond3D as a source, but asking for help on WT:VG I found that it's ok if a reliable source references it) so I'm going to resinstate the 1024x768. Oh, and you said earlier that 768p is the native resolution - this is actually incorrect as 768p isn't a resolution specification. Thanks! Fin©™ 17:48, 5 January 2009 (UTC)

No, you're not being difficult at all. Thanks for finally getting a reputable source for the article. Yes, sometimes the Official website can be a bit dodgy... Haze was sposed to be 1080p I think, but it was actually 576p (ED, not HD). And you're right, 768p is not the correct term for the resolution, I was just using that wording as an abbreviation. Thanks again! Ffgamera (talk) 02:01, 6 January 2009 (UTC)

No problem =) Thanks! Fin©™ 10:34, 6 January 2009 (UTC)

my god... Ffgamera you have an xbox right? Cliché Online (talk) 19:35, 1 March 2009 (UTC)

No. I don't have one, nor do I intend to ever get one. Unless you mean the Xbox, and not the 360. Then yes, I do have one, but I dont play it. Can I just add something more? Why don't you spend more time playing the game, rather than frustrating over a number which we've decided not to include? Or try helping the article itself? Check my userpage. This is my favourite game. I love it to bits. Does that clear up something? Ffgamera (talk) 09:44, 9 March 2009 (UTC)

In a common sense, this is what it is: the game will run from 480i (or p) to 1080p however the native resolution is 720p. Use common sense, if the game was natively running in 1080p first, the game would be downscaled for lower resolution T.Vs and second, there would be some coverage on how it is native to 1080p! There aren't a lot of games on the PS3 that are native to 1080p am I right?! Nucleos 17:18, 8 February 2009 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Bahahs (talk • contribs) I've got a simple solution: remove the darn info on the resolution. Bahahs 00:48, 9 April 2009 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Bahahs (talk • contribs)