Talk:Metal Gear Solid: Peace Walker/Archive 2

Metal Gear Solid Peace Walker - Story

• Should the story be edited now since the game is out or should it not be edited until it is released in North America.? Whimtore 8621--Whitmore 8621 (talk) 07:54, 15 May 2010 (UTC)

Feel free to add to it, as long as the information is supported by reliable sources.  Chzz  ►  07:57, 15 May 2010 (UTC)

Wha is wrong with the Metal Gear Wiki as a source? Whitmore 8621--Whitmore 8621 (talk) 08:36, 15 May 2010 (UTC)

Aren't you the one who agreed to no longer put stuff from MG Wiki? God here we go again...Chzz, the stuff from MG Wiki's not that much verifiable at the moment as anyone who contributes there can maybe understand Japanese, but just because they can doesn't mean anything here. Let's wait until the NA version is released before we can add more stuff to the story.-Eaglestorm (talk) 12:28, 15 May 2010 (UTC)

Yeah, waiting for an indepth review by the main english sources (CVG, GamePro, GameInformer, IGN, GameSpot, 1UP.com, Edge, GamesRadar, G4TV, GameTrailers, Eurogamer, VideoGamer.com, Official Playstation Magazine) maybe Famitsi and Dengeki later when 1UP posts their information. Sincerely Subzerosmokerain (talk) 12:50, 15 May 2010 (UTC)

Fair enough then I forgot about what I said before about the Metal Gear Wiki But that is in the past. Thats what I thought so yeah. Whitmore 8621--Whitmore 8621 (talk) 06:11, 17 May 2010 (UTC)

And can you stop with the feigning-ignorance forgetfulness act? Thank you! Eaglestorm (talk) 12:05, 17 May 2010 (UTC)

Well ok then I accept that. Whitmore 8621--Whitmore 8621 (talk) 15:38, 8 July 2010 (UTC)

Gameplay

The gameplay section reflects the gameplay of the demo (which was mentioned by Kojima Productions as something of a beta test), which is a bit different from the full game. There are not restricted load-outs that go with each costume in the full release, and pressing start does pause the game in solo play. IGN did an in-depth preview of a retail copy of the Japanese release. I don't know protocol, so I figured I should post here rather than make edits. 75.97.157.107 (talk) 02:40, 20 May 2010 (UTC) Ed

Despite that preview, the english fans have no preconceived notion of the games really works. A preview might be helpful but for the entire section to be supported by it is not helpful. What happens if they change content between regions, we won't know the truth. Basically what i'm saying is that we havee a wait-and-see attitude about the gameplay until reviews come in from english sources. Sincerely Subzerosmokerain (talk) 02:44, 20 May 2010 (UTC)

Ok, one thing that can be changed, I think, is in the introduction it says this is the fifth MGS for the PSP. Technically it is the third after Portable Ops and Portable Ops Plus. The Acid games were not given the Solid suffix to signify that there are not canon. 75.97.157.107 (talk) 03:06, 31 May 2010 (UTC) Ed

The ENTIRE gameplay section needs to be redone because everything is wrong and based off of a short demo. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.3.54.195 (talk) 22:52, 5 June 2010 (UTC)

when the NA version is released, not before.--Eaglestorm (talk) 14:27, 6 June 2010 (UTC)

"Having incorrect information is fine as long as nobody can call us out on it" —Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.4.111.107 (talk) 11:46, 7 June 2010 (UTC)

Well, I believe that the North American version of this game is released now...

...so, can someone please add info about it?--67.164.90.211 (talk) 00:29, 13 June 2010 (UTC)

Well what is happening with the Story why has it not been added yet after several weeks of release. Whitmore 8621--Whitmore 8621 (talk) 09:55, 27 June 2010 (UTC)

Orphaned references in Metal Gear Solid: Peace Walker

I check pages listed in Category:Pages with incorrect ref formatting to try to fix reference errors. One of the things I do is look for content for orphaned references in wikilinked articles. I have found content for some of Metal Gear Solid: Peace Walker's orphans, the problem is that I found more than one version. I can't determine which (if any) is correct for this article, so I am asking for a sentient editor to look it over and copy the correct ref content into this article.

Reference named "IGN":

• From Square Enix: "IGN presents Best of 2006". IGN.com. 2006. Retrieved 2007-08-01. {{cite web}}: External link in |work= (help)
• From Metal Gear Solid 2: Sons of Liberty: "Games as Art: The videogames that prove Rogert Ebert wrong". IGN. July 31, 2007. Retrieved 2009-11-24.
• From Metal Gear 2: Solid Snake: "Metal Gear Solid". IGN. Retrieved October 22, 2006.

I apologize if any of the above are effectively identical; I am just a simple computer program, so I can't determine whether minor differences are significant or not. AnomieBOT⚡ 09:17, 13 June 2010 (UTC)

The game has been released for WEEKS now...

...So, can someone PLEASE add info on the gameplay and story?--75.84.100.54 (talk) 22:18, 27 June 2010 (UTC)

Yeah find something that is sourced with the plot. I added some sources about the CIA in the Story but it was removed Whitmore 8621--Whitmore 8621 (talk) 04:48, 29 June 2010 (UTC)

5th title on the PSP

I only count 3 other games. Acid 1+2 and MPO. MPO Plus is an expansion and the Digital Graphic Novel not a game (see List of MG Media). So, I end up counting a total of 4 games on PSP. 87.174.237.83 (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 07:02, 18 July 2010 (UTC).

Relation with MPO

Istead of removing an addition to the articele, how aboeut discussing it here? From the game itself it is very apparent that events of MPO are simply ignored. There's a little line at the beginning, but seriously, leaving all that crap at san hieronymo behind seems more like a way of saying forget about MPO, this is the real PSP continuoation of MGS3 than anything else. I'm not saying MPO is officially non-canon, ehich it isn't. It's just odd it is bluntly ignored in it's technical sequel and that this fact should be mentioned.87.174.189.191 (talk) 16:32, 6 December 2010 (UTC)

If that was the case, then I guess Metal Gear Solid 4 was also "telling" us to forget about Metal Gear Solid 2 due to it not only barely even referencing events from that game (Only three very brief references, tops, about the Manhattan Incident, despite it being a very big event and happening fairly recently in-game), but also Solid Snake acting as though Liquid possessing Ocelot was a first for him, despite the fact that Snake not only witnessed Liquid Ocelot emerging not once, but twice, and not even being remotely shocked after the second time. We might as well think that Kojima is telling us to forget about Metal Gear Solid 4, as well, since Big Boss's reaction to Paz's "story" about Zero and Big Boss's split would indicate that he was completely unfamiliar, which would then indicate that it never actually happen. The section stays off. Weedle McHairybug (talk) 16:39, 6 December 2010 (UTC)

The difference is, they kept Liquid Ocelot in. They referenced the Manhatten incident. They kept Raiden in, they kept vamp, they kept Rose. whereas with MPO, no character reappeared. One might think Campbell might join his friend Snake on his cause. Or maybe Sokolov. What happened to Gene's fonds? What about him not remembering the name "Metal Gear" other than from some designs he saw over a decade ago, instead of a machine he barely destroyed only 4 years back? Why didn't he seem anything else but a little suprised to hear Coldman staged Operation Snake Eater? That's what I mean. MPW ignores MPO, as if it never happened. MGS4 does not ignore MGS2. Lol, of I wouldn't have played MPO, I would think San Hieronymo was a place in Costa Rica, where MSF used to train before. Aaaaaand again, the article should not say "MPO is now officially non-canon", it just should point out that MPW oddly ignores it's direct predecessor! 87.174.189.191 (talk) 17:17, 6 December 2010 (UTC)

Except they DIDN'T adhere to Metal Gear Solid 2 when they did Metal Gear Solid 4. Maybe they kept Raiden, Rose, and Vamp, but Liquid Ocelot was heavily implied to not have been known at all to Solid Snake before Metal Gear Solid 4 despite encountering him twice before. If they truly wanted Metal Gear Solid 2 to be completely remembered, why not have Solid Snake remark that he did encounter Liquid Ocelot twice before to Roy Campbell when talking about the mission instead of saying "I watched him die..." when he learns that Liquid is instigating Outer Heaven?

As for the "machine", yes, they referenced it as Metal Gear, but I'm pretty sure that Granin also stated that it had to be bipedal, so Big Boss may not have actually counted it as such. And besides which, the so-called Metal Gear didn't even walk (at least, RAXA didn't, and that was despite Ursula being in control of the machine at the time).

And Metal Gear Solid 4? It was ignored. The opening narrative of MPW hinted that Big Boss never returned to the states after leaving it, and then there is Big Boss's oddly unfamiliar reaction to Paz's account on the formation of the Patriots and Big Boss's splitting away from them. The whole thing has to stay off. It is ultimately opinion. Weedle McHairybug (talk) 17:31, 6 December 2010 (UTC)

All right, guess you're right. It might be to abigous what is just some inconsistencies and what os ignoring a game completely. 87.174.250.32 (talk) 21:18, 6 December 2010 (UTC)

Portable Ops is mentioned numerous times in MGS4. We see numerous flashbacks and Zero founding The Patriots is mentioned too. MPO is also mentioned in the MGS4 Database. Until Kojima officially says otherwise, PO is considered canon.--70.127.205.110 (talk) 18:13, 29 December 2010 (UTC)

Even then, it also will need to require that Kojima redo Metal Gear Solid 4 just to eliminate the references to Portable Ops, maybe even rewrite the founding of the Patriots just so Portable Ops would not be mentioned at all. I know I would have done just that if I wanted it retconned. That's not even getting to the Metal Gear Sagas DVD. Weedle McHairybug (talk) 22:21, 29 December 2010 (UTC)

Yeah, retconning is a bitch. But it happens. Look at comic books. The character Hawkman was rebooted in 1988 but is unrebooted character still appeared in other comics, which were still considered canon. Superman hat 2 heavily conflicting origin stories arround for 5-6 years which were still both considered canon. It happened as far back as Metal Gear 2 where Snake claimed that Gray Fox tought him everything during the original Metal Gear but in that game they only exchanged a few words after Snake saved him. Or what about Metal Gear Solid where Snake and Campbell claim, that Big Boss told Snake at the end of MG2 that he was his father. Which was never seen in that game as well. Anyway I don't think MPO played such a pivotal role as everyone says. Sure, there are some screen shots in MGS4, but there are also screens of Galuade in MGS2. I played MGS4 before I played MPO and didn't miss it, even though it added some depth, when I played it. It just strikes me how Peace Walker really makes no mention of anything in MPO at all, aside from a throwaway reference "Finally, we can leave all that crap in San Hyeronimo behind." It's really just Kojima's way of saying "You know, that other team kind off fucked up that other PSP-game, but hey, now it's my turn and now it's gonna be good!" The events and characters of MGS2 still played a role in MGS4. Sure there were inconsistencies, like Roy Campbell being referred to as Raidens former Commander, ehich he wasn't in MGS2 (an AI, you know?). As for Snake reacting to Liquid, well, I think I couldn't really believe if someone I killed appears to have taken possession of another guy even when I saw him the tenth time, most certainly when between all the times I see him is a period of several years. I dunno. Maybe it was just Kojima's way of reintroducing this to the audience. You know the 'average gamer', who doesn't play all the games once a year or once every two years like us hardcore fans. The guy who played all that Assassins Creed and Uncharted and Resident Evil Stuff in between. Anyway my point is, that I don't think MPO was that vital and neither is MPW. and MPW in a very odd way ignores MPO's events that go beyond inconsistencies. But hey, that's my opinion. Don't let it disturb your canon. After all. all that matters in a game is, that it has a canonical storyline, right? It is not as if the events in those games are pure fiction and all that matters is fun, no we fans need something that is real. If these events are not canon, then they didn't happen. And then they aren't real. To canon above all! 87.174.211.241 (talk) 20:13, 2 February 2011 (UTC)

On that note, if you're going to claim that MPO is retconned, then so is EVA's backstory about the formation of the Patriots, since Peace Walker has Big Boss reacting in such a way that made it seem as though he didn't ever remember it happening. Another problem is that the official timeline STILL included MPO in it, which makes absolutely no sense if it was intended to be retconned to non-existence. Honestly, were you baffled in regards to Zero founding the Patriots? MPO at least hinted that it was Zero, MGS4 was way out of the blue. In fact, MOST of EVA's backstory would not make sense without MPO, considering the fact that she mentioned that the CIA had her killed because they feared her charisma, when MGS3 mentioned that they didn't intend to kill her off, but did after an unplanned factor in regards to Volgin launching the nuke. Weedle McHairybug (talk) 20:42, 2 February 2011 (UTC)

Are you referring to that timeline, that did not include the MSX2 originals? Hey, does that mean, they aren't canon anymore? That's got to be it!!!87.174.211.39 (talk) 08:44, 3 February 2011 (UTC)

You just don't stop, do you? --Eaglestorm (talk) 00:18, 4 February 2011 (UTC)

Naw, not as long as we're having a good time. :) 87.174.243.197 (talk) 09:42, 4 February 2011 (UTC)

There is NO picture of Galuade in any of the cutscenes of MGS2. Only a picture of Snake and Christine Jenner from the cover of Ghost Babel in the computer room in the Big Shell. You fail big time in regards to that. Portable Ops on the other hand IS shown in cutscenes when EVA is talking about Zero forming the patriots and when Ocelot talks about the Philosophers near the end of the game. Also, Coldman is the deviously cunning strategist that Gene mention in Portable Ops. Honestly, I didn't know Portable Ops was hated so much by fans. I thought it was highly praised by critics in reviews. As for Liquid, I think Snake was talking about how he is still surprised that Liquid "came back to life" in MGS2. Anyway, I guess you could say that Portable Ops is basically a side-story. Kind of like Resident Evil: Survivor. Survivor is canon in the Resident Evil series but the events of the game are only mentioned in Resident Evil: Zero. --98.221.196.38 (talk) 16:22, 8 February 2011 (UTC)