Talk:Messianic complex

Just quickly...

Yeah so this article is terrible and filled with ramblings. It needs a complete overhaul.

Controversy?

Shouldn't the sentence "The term is also used to describe the mindset of 1st Century Palestinians who believed the coming of the Messiah to be imminent" be controversial? Any Palestiians who believed that the messiah was about to appear were mentally ill in some respect? Despite the fact that the messiah (allegedly) did arrive as expected? lmno 22:58, 19 February 2006 (UTC)

it is controversial and i dont think it should be included but it appears someone has removed it neway. Woodgreener 14:22, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

merge

this should be merged with christ complex--Wan30ate 18:39, 3 June 2006 (UTC)

i vote no. the two term have differing meanings. A christ complex could be a Messianic complex, or it could be a different psychological state such as a psychopath. Its not directly associated with Claiming to be the Savior/Messiah/Christ, (even though it sounds it); the Messianic complex is closer. Woodgreener 14:20, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

I would also vote no. Even though Christ, to the Christian population was their Messiah, it doesn't mean that Christ would be; or should be, considered everyone's messiah. Christ believed he was the Son of God, and those people who have believed that since have Christ Complex. (Though of course it could be argued that Christ had this complex, or alternatively, that all of these people are actually the reincarnation of Christ). Some people believe they are on Earth to save the world, and don't believe they are the son of God or reincarnation of Christ, so they should remain seperate. --Plkrtn 11:53, 27 September 2006 (UTC)

I strongly support the merge. Please hear me out to the end. Messianic complex is in the DSM, Christ complex is not--however, many who have a 'Messianic complex' think they are Jesus Christ (not always--but bear with me). Since Christ is one of the 'Messiahs' that is so very often the 'subject' of Messianic complexes, I think the article should be 'Messianic complex' with Christ complex as a sub-category (with specification that the latter is not recognized in the DSM). AND also, Woodgreener, I apologize but your statement that what separates the two terms is that a person with a christ complex could have a messianic complex or perhaps be something else like a psychopath, has a slight fallacy--not only can a person with a Messianic complex be a psychopath as well, but a person with a Christ complex HAS a Messianic complex. (Although that's not to say that everybody with Messianic complex is a psychopath--by no means.) Sure, in theory, it is (somewhat) conceivable that a person could just think they are Jesus with out thinking they have some kind of duty, say, to save people--but in practice, that is not usually the case (if it is, it is so rare that I don't think that is sufficient justification for opposition of this merge). Generally, mentally ill people with Christ complexes are going to have Messianic complexes because that is the "reason," so to speak, that they got the "idea" (so to speak again) to "think" that they are Christ. I don't mean that it is a conscious choice, but a person that knows who Jesus is and develops a Christ complex will most likely not JUST think he's Jesus and that's that--it is just the symbolic imagery of 'Christ' that the person with the Christ complex (generally in practice) adapts... and that symbolic imagery consists largely of ideas of 'salvation'/things of that nature. This is evidenced by the large amounts of schizophrenics with 'Messianic complexes' that believe they are Christ. People who FALSELY claim that they are Christ, the Savior, or the Messiah, do not really have Messianic complexes (they are merely frauds), so we cannot use those people as a basis for making this decision. I don't know if I've succeeded in conveying the logic properly, but again, I strongly support this merge. 67.42.14.57 23:52, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

Worst case scenario

I don't agree with the term "worst case scenario" for someone with a Messianic Complex. I believe the term "In extreme scenarios" is more appropriate, as the term "worst" implies a bias that all people with a Messianic complex are negative, most Christians would disagree that the Jesus believing he was the savior of mankind was the "worst case scenario" —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 213.249.234.102 (talk) 22:13, 6 February 2007 (UTC).

Inappropriate merging

Messianic complex is a term used by the DSM to describe a specific psychological problem. The god complex article defines what people mean by the colloquial term "god complex". These two articles, while similar in title, have absolutely nothing to do with one another. I apologize for overstepping Wikipedia bureaucracy and simply undoing the edit to merge, but the limited number of votes were obviously placed by those who did not work in professional fields that use the term "messianic complex". I recommend the discussion and regular process to continue, but cannot stand for these two differing subjects to be clustered together. --76.18.120.167 11:38, 28 May 2007 (UTC)

Hats off. I totally agree, thank you. I would have done the same thing to see the two together. Are you in the field? 67.42.14.57 00:18, 4 December 2007 (UTC)

Maxie Zeus reference

Removed the reference to Batman villain Maxie Zeus in the "See also" section. He suffers from a God Complex, not a Messianic Complex from what I know of him. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.145.143.100 (talk) 17:26, 17 October 2007 (UTC)