Talk:Menhera

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If anyone still cares, here is the image for reference

I don't think it's appropriate for a user to make up an artwork out of whole cloth for this. If there are actual Japanese characters which are commonly so identified, then an image of said character could be included as an example. But this is just something a user made up, which is not what WP is for. Mangoe (talk) 02:21, 16 July 2024 (UTC)

Agree. I came here via the Commons deletion request. The author, who I pressume is not a renowned or professionally published artist, said the drawing comes from "my own experiences". The work does not cite reliable sources from which it was derived. As it is made up, it may mislead and offend. Commander Keane (talk) 02:32, 16 July 2024 (UTC)

Stating that there are better images to be used to illustrate the article is useless if you are not going to provide any such images. We should add the picture back for a lack of better Trade (talk) 17:54, 16 July 2024 (UTC)

Having no image is better than having a bad or misleading or fantasy image. Mangoe (talk) 19:00, 16 July 2024 (UTC)

I said it comes from a mixture of menhera/yami-kawaii tropes described by the article (especially those represented by Menhera-chan) and some of my own experiences. Really the only thing directly related to me is the references to bupropion. If Ezaki Bisko wants to provide a freely licensed Menhera-chan image I’d be over the moon, but they haven’t, and I can’t see sufficient justification for a fair use image. Dronebogus (talk) 19:25, 16 July 2024 (UTC)

I agree that an Ezaki Bisko freely licensed image would be ideal, and that fair use should be discouraged but until we get something that isn't original research no image is better. Commander Keane (talk) 20:45, 16 July 2024 (UTC)

From the text of this article, cited to reliable sources: “Menhera communities are associated with the yami-kawaii (sick-cute) fashion subculture, a variation of the kawaii aesthetic characterized by medical motifs such as pills, syringes, and bandages” “The authors noted that all forms of menhera may engage in some degree of self injury.” [emphasis mine]. In addition to this information taken directly from the article/sources I also looked at Ezaki Bisko’s art extensively to make sure I was getting the general look and feel right, particularly noting Menhera-chan’s affinity for blades, pill imagery, and prominent self-harm scars/bandages on both wrists. Then I added a personal detail: the common antidepressant Bupropion. Finally I overlaid abstract imagery conveying a broken or unwell sense of self (glitchy visuals, a cartoon ghost emerging from a vague dent/hole in the head). It may be original research but it’s probably more carefully assembled and in-depth than most illustrations of Japanese pop culture tropes, which are not likewise scrutinized for meticulous accuracy. Dronebogus (talk) 22:43, 16 July 2024 (UTC)

Agreed. We should have a common depiction of Menhera instead of some user-made nonsense. Better off nothing than having the article being used to spread misunderstandings. ABG (Talk/Report any mistakes here) 05:08, 18 July 2024 (UTC)

I’d prefer you didn’t assume bad faith, talk around me, and call my work “nonsense”. Even if you don’t consider it acceptable for the article you don’t have to be impolite about it. Dronebogus (talk) 15:37, 18 July 2024 (UTC)