Talk:Mehmed of Dulkadir

GA Review

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Nominator: Aintabli (talk · contribs) 19:42, 12 February 2024 (UTC)

Reviewer: Cplakidas (talk · contribs) 14:28, 29 June 2024 (UTC)

Will take this on. Constantine ✍ 14:28, 29 June 2024 (UTC)

GA review (see here for what the criteria are, and here for what they are not)

1. It is reasonably well written.

   a (prose, spelling, and grammar): b (MoS for lead, layout, word choice, fiction, and lists):

2. It is factually accurate and verifiable, as shown by a source spot-check.

   a (reference section): b (inline citations to reliable sources): c (OR): d (copyvio and plagiarism):

3. It is broad in its coverage.

   a (major aspects): b (focused):

4. It follows the neutral point of view policy.

   Fair representation without bias:

5. It is stable.

   No edit wars, etc.:

6. It is illustrated by images and other media, where possible and appropriate.

   a (images are tagged and non-free content have non-free use rationales): b (appropriate use with suitable captions):

7. Overall:

   Pass/Fail:

Lede

• was the ruler of Dulkadir some context here? E.g. 'was the ruler of Dulkadir, a Turkmen principality in southeastern Anatolia' or similar
• He came to power with the intervention of the Ottoman Sultan Bayezid I (r. 1389–1402) amidst the internal struggles within the Dulkadirids and forced his cousin Sadaqa to flee from Elbistan, the capital. suggest slight splitting up and reordering for clearer chronological succession, as well as some details on the strife: 'He came to power amidst internal quarrels within the Dulkadirid family, which pit him against his uncle, Shaban Suli, and cousin, Sadaqa. Mehmed evicted Suli from the capital, Elbistan, but was in turn ousted by Sadaqa. It was the intervention of the Ottoman Sultan Bayezid I (r. 1389–1402) that forced Sadaqa to flee and installed Mehmed on the throne.' or similar, provided I understand the events correctly (more on that in my comments below)
• clashes with the Mamluks link to the Mamluk Sultanate and give some context, e.g. 'Mamluk Sultanate that ruled Egypt and Syria' and that the Mamluks traditionally ruled the region of Dulkadir as overlords.
• to the Mamluk Sultan give his name
• in regions outside his control, such as in Jerusalem I think it should be noted that these regions were under Mamluk control, as this shows the aforementioned good relations on one hand and explains how he was able to do it.

Early life and background

• Suggest reverting the order in the section title to 'Background and early life'
• The lede mentions a birth date 'before 1362', but this is ignored here. Please add what is known or can be surmised about the date of his birth
• Mehmed defeated and forced his ruling uncle to flee to Develi with the aid of the Mamluk governor of Sis in the summer of 1389 did Mehmed defeat his uncle 'with the aid of the Mamluk governor of Sis in the summer of 1389' or did Suli manage to flee 'with the aid of the Mamluk governor...'? If the former, I would suggest moving the 'with the aid ...' part to the start of the sentence. Also, does this mean that Mehmed took over Elbistan in 1389 (I assume that this is where Suli fled from)? I suggest to mention this explicitly, and introduce Elbistan as the Dulkadirid capital.
• Would Mintash warrant a redlink?
• My usual comment on cities and localities mentioned in the article: give some context for the reader as to their geographic location, and ideally a map where they are shown. The extent of Mehmed's domains is also a bit unclear, as cities as remote as Palmyra or Harpoot appear suddenly; I would suggest adding a brief mention here what the Dulkadirid domains were.
• traveled to Cairo to receive the manshūr (the diploma to rule) from the Mamluks suggest something like 'traveled to the Mamluk capital, Cairo,' or 'traveled to the Mamluk court in Cairo', then 'from the Mamluks' becomes redundant.
• manshur should be in the transliteration template; and a better gloss might be 'diploma of investiture'
• When Sadaqa returned to Elbistan Some more context on this? How did that happen? With Mamluk support? And clarify whether Elbistan had until then been ruled by Mehmed.
• over the lands formerly under the sovereignty of Kadi Burhan al-Din clarify where these lands were located in relation to Dulkadir
• He was installed by Bayezid I last person mentioned is Kadi Burhan al-Din
• who forced his rival cousin who previously held the throne, Sadaqa, out of Elbistan redundancy; Sadawa has already been introduced
• Certain names of individuals and localities are linked more than once, please consider MOS:OVERLINK

Reign

• Link Sivas and explain that it was in Ottoman hands and its significance
• Gloss kishlak and explain why/how the Dulkadirids were at Palmyra, so far south of Elbistan
• The Ottoman Sultan Bayezid faced a major loss and subsequent imprisonment by Timur at the Battle of Ankara in July 1402 should belong to the next section.
• Nasir al-Din Mehmed I assume that the laqab appears to help distinguish him from Mehmed Chelebi? Then I would suggest either using 'Nasir al-Din Mehmed' throughout, or use just 'Mehmed', since Mehmed I is always referred to as Mehmed Chelebi already.
• Mehmed Chelebi was successfully enthroned as the new head of the Ottomans suggest 'After the defeat and death of Musa in July 1413, Mehmed Chelebi was enthroned as the new head of the Ottomans' or similar to provide a link with the previous and give an idea of the chronology
• Redlinks for Tanriverdi, Demirtash, Muhammad bin Kopek, Janibeg al-Sufi?
• the restoration of an-Nasir Faraj's authority in Aleppo, the former Mamluk governors of Aleppo and Damascus something is missing here
• al-Mu'ayyad Shaykh conversely led two expeditions against the Dulkadirids, the first of which retook Aintab and Darende (which was lost after), and Ala al-Din Ali joined the latter. 'conversely' is redundant, and I assume Ali joined the Mamluks? This is not entirely clear.
• Mehmed reinstated Dulkadirid rule in Elbistan 'reinstated' doesn't work well here, 'restored'?
• He appointed his brother Ali as the governor of Marash was this not already done by the Mamluks? Did Marash return under Mehmed's rule, after which he reappointed his brother to it, or did he merely acknowledge his brother's Mamluk title?
• Mehmed built many madrasas in and outside his realm, including the Nasiriyya or Hatuniyya Madrasa in Kayseri and Ghadiriyya in Jerusalem north of the sacred al-Aqsa Mosque. Other examples of his architectural legacy were erected in Aintab, Marash, and outside of Aleppo Unless this was during this period, I would suggest moving this to a 'Legacy' section.
• Make clear that Barsbay and Laqmaq were Mamluk sultans
• His son Hamza 'Ali's son Hamza'
• favoring deceased Ali's son Hamza and replaced Mehmed's son Fayyaz with him 'favoring Ali's son Hamza and replaced Mehmed's son Fayyaz with the former', as Ali's death is mentioned already
• Why was Hamza executed? Last he is mentioned as being in Mamluk favor
• Mamluk relations 'Dulkadirid relations with the Mamluks'

Family

• Clarify that Refet Yinanç and Margaret Venzke are modern historians
• Gloss waqf (pious foundation or charitable establishment)

That's it for a first pass. The article looks comprehensive and is well referenced, but needs some copyediting and context for the non-familiar reader. Once the points above are done, I will do another read-through. Cheers, Constantine ✍ 14:01, 4 August 2024 (UTC)