Talk:McDonnell F-101 Voodoo/Archive 1

Archive 1

Upper Heyford

Sad to see no mention of RAF Upper Heyford Voodoo's - a common sight in the 60s at Open House airshows and over my house. See: "RF-101Cs were first assigned to Europe during the spring of 1958 when the 66th Tactical Reconnaissance Wing (32nd and 38th TRS) at Laon AB in France converted from RF-84Fs. In May of 1958, the 17th and 18th TRS based at Shaw AFB joined the 66th TRW at Laon. By the end of 1958, 30 RF-101Cs were based overseas. They were stationed at Nouasseur AFB in Morocco and at the Laon and Phalsbourg air bases in France. The 38th TRS moved to Ramstein AB in Germany when Laon grew short of ramp space and facilities. The entire wing moved to RAF Upper Heyford in England. The 66th TRW was inactivated on April 1, 1970.

Source: http://www.icdc.com/~mr_bill/F101info6.html

Royzee 18:29, 22 February 2007 (UTC) Feb 20 07

Maximum speed

I have two separate sources which quote the max speed of the F-101A/C as Mach 1.51, and of the B/F as Mach 1.63. These are a far cry from Mach 2.-whatever. My instinct is to label such figues as sneaky vandalism. And I sincerley doubt there's a verifable source anyway to back up the claim (even one from the DIscovery Channel!) - BillCJ 03:10, 7 April 2007 (UTC)

My sources say Mach 1.51 at 35,000 for F/RF-101A/C and Mach 1.65 at 35,000 ft for the F-101B/F (Knaack). The Voodoo was not area-ruled and had the same thrust/weight ratio as the much more aerodynamically refined F-4. Furthermore, the J57 engines were not capable of handling Mach 2 airflow (the variable compressor vane innovation was introduced on the J79) making all claims of Mach 2 performance highly dubious. - Emt147 ^Burninate! 04:14, 7 April 2007 (UTC)

In 1957, GE removed the J57's from the first F-101A and installed two J79's. According to the project pilot for the program, the airplane's acceleration was orders of magnitude better, but top speed was still limited by the airframe itself, and not much better than advertised officially.N747ge (talk) 22:04, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

This is my first time editing a page. I was also skeptical of the max speeds listed and changed them accordingly. As originally built, the F-101A was capable of a maximum speed of Mach 1.60 at 35 Kft. However, intake modifications needed to alleviate compressor stalls at increased angle-of-attack resulted in a slight increase in drag, and a decrease in top speed to Mach 1.52. (Prototypes have a very short intake ramp and a sharp, flat bottom edge to the intake. Production F-101s have a longer intake ramp and a curled bottom "lip" to the intake.) The F-101B was "red-lined" at Mach 1.75, but I have an acquaitnace who was a RIO for 4 years in the F-101B who went to Mach 1.83 and was still accelerating when the pilot decided to throttle back! Source for the F-101A is "Voodoo" by Paul Stevens, for the F-101B: Paul Allin, formerly of the 60th FIS. I am still working out how to properly footnote things so any advice or comments will be greatly appreciated!Bigron427 (talk) 07:40, 4 January 2008 (UTC)bigron427

Another Museum Static Display

I just saw an F101 on static display at Wings Over The Rockies Musuem in Denver CO USA. This one is not listed in the article.

Not sure if this is a new A/C or was loaned from another facility.

See Survivors List, and footnote no. 5. The Voodoo is part of the Museum's regular military aircraft inventory, part of the USAF loan program: aicraft, armament, artifacts, books, photos, and Eisenhower Collection. LanceBarber 21:35, 29 September 2007 (UTC)

I added a reference to the F-101 on display at the Aerspace Museum of California (formerly McClellan Aviation Museum). I have been in charge of the F-101B in the collection, 57-427, for the past 6 years.Bigron427 (talk) 07:44, 4 January 2008 (UTC)bigron427

F-101 weapons

I am beginning work on a separate Wikipedia article on the original F-101 weapon, the little-known Model 96 Store designed and built by McDonnell Aircraft Co. If you look deep in the footnotes for the W-5 warhead in Chuck Hansen's "US Nuclear Weapons", there is a lot of good information on it. Images of the Model 96 store can be seen in Aviation Week Aug 6 1956, p. 151; Kinsey's Detail and Scale volume on the F-101, p. 7; and on the video "F-101 Voodoo" by CAV Video. More to follow!Bigron427 (talk) 07:51, 4 January 2008 (UTC)bigron427

Survivor at Fairchild AFB?

There was an F-101B on static display in the "airpark" at Fairchild AFB when I was stationed there '90-'94 and it shows up in the satellite view on Google maps (image date unknown). Unfortunately, the information on the Fairchild History Museum and its successor, The Armed Forces & Aerospace Museum, is sketchy. Is this aircraft still there?

Disposition Unknown- Bergstrom AFB

In the section 'Survivors' it mentions a static display at Bergstom AFB, Austin, TX but mentions that the current disposition is unknown (the base was closed in the '90s.) That display was moved to the local Texas National Guard base Camp Mabry, Austin, TX. The plane has been repainted with Texas insignia and is visible from the Loop 1 freeway bordering the east side of the base. RobVranichII (talk) 23:15, 2 April 2008 (UTC)

Devil's Lake ND

I have added one that is in Devils Lake, ND,could someone fix the entry and please tell me how to post a photo of it,it is in beautiful shape and I have a great photo,thanks safn1949@hotmail.com —Preceding unsigned comment added by Safn1949 (talk • contribs) 02:25, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

I have formatted the entry for you. As long as you took the photo yourself or have permission to use it, you can upload the image at Wikipedia:Upload. Make sure you choose an appropriate license for it from the pull down menu on the upload page, or else it will get quickly tagged and deleted! Once uploaded you can insert it on the page in the same manner as the exiting photos, such as this example: [[Image:F101Atail532418PuebloMuseum.jpg|thumb| F-101A, AF Serial No. 53-2418, at Pueblo Weisbrod Aircraft Museum, Pueblo, CO]]

Hope that helps? - Ahunt (talk) 12:12, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

Ok,pretend I'm stupid,I can't figure it out,please post this photo where you like, http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Image:F_101_fighter.jpg I don't want to mess up the page,I took this photo less then 2 weeks ago,thanksSafn1949 (talk) 01:37, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

No problem, thanks for uploading it to Commons. It is posted on the page. Have a look at how I did that. - Ahunt (talk) 01:58, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

Perfect,thanks a lotSafn1949 (talk) 17:26, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

Voodoo ram air turbine

Can anyone confirm for me that the F-101 Voodoo had a RAT (Ram Air Turbine) for emergency hydraulic pressure. Thanks, Greg —Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.69.228.32 (talk) 15:44, 27 October 2009 (UTC)

One-Oh-Wonder

This article states: "The manufacturer applied the nickname "One-oh-Wonder" to all models of the Voodoo and this was reflected on the aircraft type patches worn by crews." The cited reference makes no claim that McDonnell came up with this nickname, and as I recall it didn't really become popular as a nickname until long after the aircraft left production. I suspect that this name came from military personnel associated with the aircraft. Jmdeur (talk) 22:05, 16 February 2010 (UTC)

Quite true - fixed as per ref cited. - Ahunt (talk) 23:19, 16 February 2010 (UTC)

Recent edits

Is there a need for the citation bombing tags on this article? Was there an issue with unsourced or unreferenced material? FWiW Bzuk (talk) 22:48, 7 May 2011 (UTC).

falcon rails on f-101b

i've recently found photographic proof of the f-101b carrying SIX falcons on it's missile palet (3 per side) on the sites f-101voodoo.net & aus.airpower.net it seems to have been used only briefly though96.238.129.49 (talk) 11:02, 2 July 2011 (UTC)

F101B in movies

In the 1966 Norman Jewison movie "The Russians are Coming, The Russians are Coming," two F101B's of the 81st Fighter Interceptor Squadron from Hamilton AFB, CA do a fly over of the Russian submarine driven by Theodore Bikel. The movie stars Carl Reiner, Eva Marie Saint, Alan Arkin and Theodore Bikel.

96.252.60.164 (talk) 19:02, 18 July 2011 (UTC)Les Clark96.252.60.164 (talk) 19:02, 18 July 2011 (UTC) <Wikipedia>

Not all that notable as the scene is a very fleeting one and is not a focal point in the movie, thereby not typically considered a significant example of the F-101 being a popular culture icon. FWiW Bzuk (talk) 19:55, 18 July 2011 (UTC).

If it were actually notable and also referenced, it would go in Aircraft in fiction and not in this article. - Ahunt (talk) 00:38, 19 July 2011 (UTC)

F-101F Proctor, MN

There is a F-101F (?) on static display in Proctor, MN that I don't see on your list.

The plane on display was placed in the early 1970's to commemorate two Proctor natives, Captains Sherman Gagne and James Verville. They crewed a Voodoo for the Minnestoa Air National Guard, based in Duluth and died when when their plane crashed on takeoff.

Image of aircraft on display: http://www.airport-data.com/aircraft/photo/361770.html

--Chazclover (talk) 13:58, 20 August 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for pointing that out, I have added it along with your ref. - Ahunt (talk) 14:41, 20 August 2011 (UTC)

Aircraft on display

Just wondering why this section is so long when we have List of surviving McDonnell F-101 Voodoos, should be no more than a paragraph left behind here surely? It's a problem not confined to just this article (I came here after another uncited entry was added, popping up on my watchlist). Nimbus (Cumulus nimbus floats by) 01:58, 1 November 2012 (UTC)

Good point - let's axe the section here and lave just the "main" template. - Ahunt (talk) 11:31, 1 November 2012 (UTC)

Agree, burn the duplication and just leave a summary. GraemeLeggett (talk) 14:06, 1 November 2012 (UTC)

Slight problem in that the entries appear different, the location is given first here (which is usual convention I think) where the type and serial numbers are given first in the list article. The section in this article is more cited than the list article. Needs some merging rather than a simple deletion, perhaps that's why it's not been done yet?! Nimbus (Cumulus nimbus floats by) 20:09, 1 November 2012 (UTC)

Sectioning out a new section

This article states: "sustaining losses with the first F-101 being lost" A little redundant isn't it? Surely you wiki-ites can find another term for loss than well less. Stir it up, use a little variety - maybe then wikipedestrian won't sound like it was written by a bunch of 3rd graders doing a class project (an insult to 3rd graders everywhere - their work is generally much better). — Preceding unsigned comment added by 192.158.48.13 (talk) 11:34, 1 March 2013 (UTC)

SAGE

This article states: "It had transponders linking it to the Semi-Automatic Ground Environment (SAGE) system, allowing ground controllers to steer the aircraft towards its targets by making adjustments through the plane's autopilot." Transponders? A transponder is a simple interrogation device - sending a response when it receives an authenticating radio-frequency transmission. What SAGE used was a data link (and in most descriptions of the system, this is the term used) for transmitting and receiving data - not sure that that is the same thing as a transponder or even a bunch of transponders (not even sure what the plural even means in the context of this kind of device or this article). — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.51.66.32 (talk) 04:47, 25 April 2013 (UTC)

Good point it was an early data link, I will fix that. - Ahunt (talk) 19:40, 27 April 2013 (UTC)

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