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McCafé

The maple ridge in Canada boasts the first ever McCafe ever, (in 2000 if I'm not mistaken, I'll check whenever I go there. It was in the newspaper too. Perhaps this should be added to the bottom? If it's no mentioned already, (and I don't think it is), McCafe was created in order to compete with starbucks. I think this should be added. I'm thinking:

"The first such McCafé was installed at an existing McDonald's resturant location in Maple Ridge, Canada."

The year can be added later, when I go check, or if anyone knows.

"McCafé was created by the McDonald's corporation as a competitior to the large and expanding Starbucks."

I also think something like the above immidiate sentence should be added as well. --mike, yeah I'll get a username one of these days.

The menu boasts the standard bistro fare, including paninis, coffee and espresso drinks, and baked goods and pastries, and all menu items are available for take-out.

I'm new to editing, but I must say the McCafe entry reads somewhat like an advertisement rather than a wikipedia entry, take "comfortable leather chairs and couches, natural wood accents, and bistro style tables, the ambience is that of a typical modern coffee shop. Dine-in patrons forego the plastic trays and paper wrappers for the more elegant china plates and stainless silverware." Without wanting to jump in myself and make an inexperienced mistake on a key article, is it possible this could be redrafted? Jamestplunkett 23:52, 20 November 2005 (UTC)

Template - "Location"

Does the "Location" entry under the template refer to the location of the first McDonald's or the company HQ? This should be made more clear.

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Nickname section of little use

If anyone wants to remove the nickname section I won't mind. It is impossible to verify most of the names and it is a prime spot for vandalism. --Beirne 01:40, May 18, 2005 (UTC)

It's gone. --ProhibitOnions 12:39, 2005 Jun 1 (UTC)

You were too late. I had done it already. --ProhibitOnions 09:55, 2005 Jun 5 (UTC)

McDonalds's Trivia and Fun Facts

I deleted this section, which only had one entry. The entry that existed was not important: just an unusual pronunciation of a McD's product. The article already has a list of nicknames for the restaurant chain (which one person has suggested deleting); a list of nicknames for products would be too much. I don't think the section could be expanded with useful facts, either. Odd unrelated facts about any subject are usually not encyclopedic. DDerby 06:07, 30 May 2005 (UTC)

Books on McDonald's

Can anyone please tell me if, there is anywhere in any of the books on manageing a McDonald's..What it tells you to do when you have sick crew people show up for shifts?? Or what to do if you have 9 out of 11 people in a store that become sick at one time??? Thank you for any ideas anyone may have and for your help in this matter... I have never seen anything and was wondering

-I work at McDonald's, and at our store at least, what to do with a sick crew member is really a decision that the manager will make based on what they personally think should be done as well as how busy we are. An understaffed store can borrow crew members from another location nearby.

And in general practice, unless they're presenting with signs of serious foodborne illness, they're kept on the clock, but ServSafe says that sick employees should be sent home regardless of how sick they are to prevent contamination of the food (or other crew members). I don't know what McDonald's has to say on it, but generally, like said above, it's a manager call. Hope you're not in a store in the middle of no where, though... :-) CQJ 17:25, 24 July 2006 (UTC)

Since the food is already poisonous, what could it hurt? Also, McDonald's doesn't put stores in the middle of nowhere. You're confusing them with Hardee's. Wahkeenah 00:27, 25 July 2006 (UTC)

Challenges Section

"Some franchisees in the Middle East have been targets of arson and other acts of violence because the business represents, to the attackers, an invasion by American business and culture that they oppose based on a nationalist or Islamist ideology." I'm trying to decide if this sentence is racist or not because of "Islamist ideology". I imagine that there is no supporting evidence for the motives of the arsonists, but I think the idea that American culture invades other countries is relevant (especially for a huge company like McD). So I am removing "Islamist ideology" and leaving it with just nationalism. If you have an objection, please don't forget NPOV. :) Daev 19:20, 15 Jun 2005 (UTC)

How would this statement be racist? "Islamist ideology" is a well-documented phenomenon, and is not interchangeable with nationalism. Those committing such acts frequently let their motivation be known. So, if there have indeed been Islamist attacks against McDonald's restaurants in the Middle East, let's hear about them. ProhibitOnions 09:01, August 10, 2005 (UTC)

I agree with ProhibitOnions. In fact, I would say that in general WikiPedia has an anti-American, communist bias. Of course we all know that the notion of an encyclopedia without editors is fundamentally antithetical to the purpose of an encyclopedia, but that's a sermon for another time. I think it is ironic that communists refer to criticism of Islamist theology as "racist", as their own philosophy, communism, is also extremist. Ultimately, I think Daev is not truely communist/socialist but just anti-American. There is nothing evil about McDonald's, people. It is the embodiment of the American dream. Do we really think the fall of the Soviet Union would have happened as quickly and with such relative peace were it not for the existance of the American free market capitalist system, and great American institutions like McDonald's??? The communists need to realize that their philosophy was proven to be inferior with said fall of the Soviet Union in 1991. All true moderates on both the left and right end of "moderate" recognize the superiority of capitalism and representitive democracy. Anyone who says McDonald's is evil does NOT deserve to call themselves a Liberal. JFK = Liberal. Alexander Hamilton = Liberal. Mao = communist. Che Guavera = Communist. Castro = Communist. --Brian, 27 male, Silicon Valley, USA (former US Navy submariner and proud moderate Liberal)

Kiwiburger

The kiwiburger has been dicontinued in New Zealand. Also, our whopper equivalent here is called The Boss. A rephrasing of the regional specialities paragraph is in order. All easily confirmable from McD's NZ, i suspect.

Deleted Nicknames

McDonald's is also known as:

• Golden Arches (U.S. slang)
• Mickey-D's (U.S. slang)
• McDick's (Canadian slang and U.S. slang)
• Gronald's (Canadian slang)
• Don's (Canadian slang)
• McChoke and Pukes (Canadian slang)
• Macca's (Australian slang & New Zealand Slang)
• Mackies (Australian slang)
• Mackey-D's (British slang)
• Placcy-D's (British slang, from the word "plastic", referring to the food)
• McDog (British slang)
• McNasty (British slang)
• Mäkmakkara (Finnish slang)
• McDo (French slang) and (Filipino slang)
• MacDoh (Quebec French slang)
• Moulée de clown (Quebec French slang)
• Mekkes (German slang)
• Mekki (German slang)
• Der Schotte (German slang) (lit. the Scotch) because of the 'Mc' prefix and maybe the somewhat cheaper price in comparison to a regular international restaurant.
• McDoof (German slang) (lit. McStupid) because of the content of the burgers and the bright corporation sign, known as the "Golden Arches". The name was invented by German writer Günter Wallraff.
• McFress (German slang)
• McD's (Indian slang)
• MacDee (Indonesian slang)
• McDonaldos (Mexican slang)
• McDonas (Mexican Slang)
• Manonas (Mexican Slang)
• Makku or Makudo (Japanese slang, from the katakana Makudonarudo)
• Mak Kee 麥記, Old Mak 老麥 (Hong Kong Slang)
• McDee's or Micca Dee's (New Zealand abbreviation)
• McD's (Scottish abbreviation)
• Donken, Mackidånnkan, Douglas (amongst tweens) (Swedish slang)
• Meki (Hungarian slang)
• Mec (Romanian and Italian slang)
• Mek (Dutch slang)
• MacDohNo (Khmer slang)
• Rotten Ronnie's (Canadian English Slang)
• Ronchin Ronnies (Canadian English Slang)
• Mækker'n (Norwegian slang)
• Mäkkäri (Finnish slang)
• McDee (British/American slang)
• McMalupan (Sri Lankan slang)
• Maccen (Danish slang)
• McDonal(Colombian and Italian slang)
• McDonald (Italian slang)
• Mäkk (Estonian slang)
• Mac ( Shorter name )
• Mac and Don's Steakhouse (U.S. slang)

Largest McDonald's?

I was under the impression that the McDonald's spanning I-44 in Vinita, OK was the largest at 29,135 square feet (although admittingly very boring and plain). How large is the one in Orlando? The best I could find is it has like a 15,000 square foot playground.

See:

• http://www.entrepreneur.com/article/0,4621,302481,00.html (Orlando)
• http://www.legendsofamerica.com/OK-Quirky.html and http://www.uncommondays.com/states/ok/places/mcdonalds.htm (Vinita)
• http://www.theslatinreport.com/top_story.jsp?StoryName=0518mcd.txt (Chicago)

Ash Lux 6 July 2005 00:36 (UTC)

Use of apostrophe

What is the apostrophe in McDonald's supposed to mean? Is this some sort of ellipsis meaning McDonald's restaurant? --Abdull 11:59, 28 July 2005 (UTC)

No, it's a possessive form that can be translated in French as chez or German as bei. It's common enough, and British speakers especially have the habit of sometimes inserting it where it does not exist (I'm going shopping at Tesco's). Otherwise, you have the chemist's, or you can stay over at John's. I suppose "shop" and "house" are implied in these two examples, but they're not an ellipsis. ProhibitOnions

"you can stay over at john's" that is correct usage, possesion, i.e. john's house...Owwmykneecap 21:07, 2 August 2006 (UTC)

Effectively, it is short for "McDonald's Restaurant", although that's not the name of the chain anymore. Wahkeenah 23:25, 2 August 2006 (UTC)

Requested move

McDonald's Corporation → McDonald's - Actually, a certain unreachable anon user already did this as a cut-and-paste, screwing up the edit history; this should probably be fixed if possible. tregoweth 12:58, July 30, 2005 (UTC)

I have reverted it so the move can be made via this request if there is a consensus to do so. Philip Baird Shearer 10:57, 31 July 2005 (UTC)

• Oppose. Philip Baird Shearer 10:57, 31 July 2005 (UTC)
  • Any particular reason? sjorford →•← 16:22, 16 August 2005 (UTC)
• Support. McDonald's began in 1940, McDonald's Corporation in 1955; emphasis on the latter was used by "McDonald's Founder" (sic) Ray Kroc to write out the role of the McDonald brothers in the company's history, which is not NPOV. ProhibitOnions 11:44, July 31, 2005 (UTC)
• Support. Microsoft, not Microsoft Corporation; Royal Dutch Shell, not Royal Dutch Shell plc; Burger King, not Burger King Corporation. More to the point, would you say "I'm going to McDonald's Corporation for lunch"? J.K. 09:43, 14 August 2005 (UTC)
• Support - as J.K. says, use common names, just as we don't put "Ltd." or "LLC" or "Inc." at the end of article titles. sjorford →•← 16:22, 16 August 2005 (UTC)
• Support, for the above reason and for consistancy within wikipedia. — Asbestos | Talk (RFC) 17:20, 16 August 2005 (UTC)
• Support,. Makes sense, "McDonald's" works better under the Wikipedia:Use common names policy. --FuriousFreddy 17:56, 16 August 2005 (UTC)
• Support. Sounds logical. - Chairboy 18:03, 16 August 2005 (UTC)

This article has been renamed after the result of a move request. violet/riga (t) 08:45, 18 August 2005 (UTC)

Who would do the slogan "I'm lovin' it" after Destiny's Child?

go to this site [1]

McD is pretty nasty

If you eat it you disgust me. Go eat some steak with fries instead. Also, diners serve better food and faster! BRING DINERS BACK! Diners are a true American tradition and diner food sure beats a McNasty. 209.124.115.174

...And your point is..? --Thorri 12:29, 5 Oct 2005 (UTC)

-You'll get better service at McDonald's than a diner ! Diners don't have supervisors from "upstairs" checking in on them all the time.  ;-)

4th McDonald's location incorrect

The fourth McDonald's (the oldest standing), located in Downey, CA, is incorrectly listed as at the intersection of Lakewood and Firestone Boulevards. The correct location is at the intersection of Lakewood Boulevard and Florence Avenue.

Guatemala

I remopved the following entry added to the timeline by an anon, until confirmation:

• 1974: On June 19, the first McDonald's opens in Guatemala.

mikka (t) 23:39, 11 October 2005 (UTC)

Johnsonville Brats

The article mentions Johnsonville Brats as a Wisconsin exclusive. This is not correct. These were available last year in Michigan as well, at least in Battle Creek, for a limited period. They were brought back this year, and MAY have been available there in 2003 as well.

On a similar note, I recall there being something called a Summertime Sandwich or something like that one year in the mid '90s. Not that it's important, but does anyone else recall something like that?

I also live in Michigan (near Grand Rapids) and Johnsonville brats have been available as a temporary item on and off for a few years now. -- 24.11.90.115 09:54, 5 December 2005 (UTC)

The McDonald's Menu

I'm seventeen, and I work at McDonald's, so I thought I'd contribute to the parts I knew for sure. I revised the menu and made it more specific.

Hmmm, you did a pretty good job, I'm seventeen and work at Mcdonald's as well.  :) --Carolann.

Do any of you work at Mcdonald's?

I was just wondering, since I do. Thats the only reason that I decided to look it up. LOL. Anyways, whoever deleted "the golden arches" and mickey-D's" from the nicknames list, is completely wrong. Mickey-D's sweet tea is even wrote on our signs and menu board where I work. And I've heard a lot of people call it the golden arches. :) Well if u have any questions, I could mast likely answer them. :) (64.12.117.10 04:10, 29 October 2005 (UTC)CarolAnn)

• Those are certainly common nicknames. Also, this is not a nickname I've ever heard: "McDonald's' historic tendency towards promoting high-calorie foods such as French fries has earned it the nickname "the starchy arches"" Pattersonc 03:32, 19 January 2006 (UTC)

McLibel trial length

According to this wiki entry, the McLibel trial lasted for 2 and a half years. According to the McLibel wiki entry (which i just linked) , it lasted for 7 years. which is it? Bwithh 23:46, 29 October 2005 (UTC)

New change

This article is an attack page. I have made the proper corrections Sincerely, -The Night Ninja

pineapple in hawaii mcdonald's

I've never seen pineapple as a topping in a single Mcdonald's in all of Oahu.

Pineapple at Hawaiian Ronnie Mac's is given as a side dish along with fries and a drink (at least thats how it was when i was there a couple years ago) and there instead of by numbers, the Extra Value Menu Goes by letter (Big Mac is the A meal, not the number 1)

Accuracy

There was an anon edit to the board members, and I could not find a source to support it, or the previous list. There are new reports of Richard H. Lenny being appointed in September, and he is not on the list. 1 AntiVan 01:44, 24 November 2005 (UTC)

This is kind of unrelated, but I didn't want to start a new section. The article currently reads: "Revenues for 2004 were US$19.07 billion, with net income at $2.75." Was that supposed to be $2.75 billion? They profit margin can't be that low.

big and nasty?

I don't particularly care for McDonald's, but I noticed one of the sandwiches is listed as "Big and Nasty". Could someone verufy if this is the name of the sandwich (I doubt it is).

Big and Tasty--Terenceong1992 06:05, 2 December 2005 (UTC)

The sandwhich is actually called the Big and Tasty, however, in my area it is common employee slang to call it the Big and Nasty. Some customers have picked this up as well.

• I've also heard this.--Attitude2000 14:01, 29 June 2006 (UTC)
• That's why no one buys it anymore, right? Wahkeenah 14:05, 30 June 2006 (UTC)

Hotdogs

I removed this section; "*The only McDonald's in the world which had hot dogs on the menu was located in the Skydome in Toronto, Canada. The McDonald's has since been removed as Sportsco International LP bought the stadium in 1998 and it was later purchased again by Rogers Communications in 2005."

This is extremly false. I can remeber before one of our local Wal Mart's was remodeled (In York, Pennsylvania) They had hotdogs on the menu. After it was upgraded to a Super Walmart they removed the item.

Funky Japanese menu items

Japanese McDonald's have tons of weird menu items. I haven't researched this, but I think they have new items every month, or at least on a regular basis. Some examples are egg burgers ("Tamago Mac Burger" I think), different variations of shrimp burgers, and fish nuggets called "Fish McDippers". Also, McDonald's in Japan sell fried chicken on Christmas day, but I'm not sure if that's worth mentioning as it has more to do with the Japanese custom of eating fried chicken for Christmas. -- 24.11.90.115 10:04, 5 December 2005 (UTC)

Please explain how service times are faster?

In a timeline article for 2005 regarding new policy in Australian McDonalds locations, it states that food is "Made for you" (made AFTER you order it, so it is fresher). The article then goes on to say that service times during rush hours will hence be SHORTER. Please explain the logic behind this?!? --SnakeSoldier 11:33, 18 December 2005 (UTC)

-I work in managment at the Newmarket store in QLD which is going MFY very soon. The reason it will be quicker in the majority of cases is that instead of crew having to guess what burgers will sell, all product will be up in the same length of time (approximately the amount of time it takes to pour a drink and collected the fries. No more long waits for product to cook. Trust me, it will be faster.

--okay, that's not really making sense to me either, and i've worked in the grill area for about a year. If making the food after it was ordered was somehow faster, why would we still make common sandwiches ahead of time in case they are ordered. "No more long waits for product to cook" i dont even know what you're talking about here. First of all, unless business is very slow, or the particular product is in very low demand, product is already cooked at all times. That's why we have the tray system and the UHC. Second, how does making food after it's ordered prevent having to wait for food to cook? Maybe things are very different in Australia, i work at a store in the US.

- It will be quicker because when a store converts to made for you they get a whole new kitchen. for example ive heard that the new bun toasters only take about 8 seconds compared to 45 seconds for the ones that are used in non MFY stores. Also the meat can be pre-cooked and kept in the UHC for MFY i believe. meaning that all will be required for MFY will be to toast the bun and dress the burger then place the meat on the burger. if the meat is already cooked this should only take about 30 seconds to prepare a burger

Too many images

I think there are too many images in the article. Would anyone object to removing some? Specifically, I would remove the ones for which McD's is not the focus of the image (we don't need 100 Asian McD's!). --ʀ6ʍɑʏ89 21:13, 18 January 2006 (UTC)

• SUGGESTION: Check out the London Millennium Bridge page. It has a section titled Gallery. I believe this will make this site look cleaner and better organized. I'm looking for valid arguments for and against this format. Pattersonc 19:14, 21 January 2006 (UTC)

What do you mean we don't need 100 Asian McD's? I like the idea of a gallery, will be much neater. Somehow I feel that the article is too US-centric. --Terence Ong 10:06, 26 January 2006 (UTC)

The fact is that the McDonalds experience is near homogenous - isn't that the very essence of the brand? Sad to say I've eaten in McDonalds in 4 continents and they are much the same the world over. We emphatically do not need a truckload of photos in my humble opinion. --kingboyk 19:37, 19 March 2006 (UTC)

Yes, the image gallery idea is a good one. Someone should do this. --Mark 10:22, 5 April 2006 (UTC)

External Links

So what links are actually allowed on this entry? Ive seen plenty and now ive seen a killjoy delete them all. So what externals are actually allowed? Fkmd 12:22, 2 February 2006 (UTC)

WikiWeakness

• WikiWeakness #3792 – “facts” presented on various Wikipages conflict with “facts” presented on other Wikipages.

In this case the opening paragraph purports that the corporation has a retail presence in 122 nations. This is simply McDonald’s corporation propaganda and can be dismissed as nothing more than boastful hype. The link at the bottom of the page to “List of countries with McDonald's franchises” reveals that in fact McDonalds has a retail presence in just over 90 sovreign nations.

For example, corporate propaganda counts Guam, Puerto Rico, the US Virgin Islands, American Samoa, and the United States as five different nations. Corporate propaganda continues to list China, Hong Kong, and Macau as three different “nations.” Their figures are super-sized for public consumption, but lack basic credibility.

The count of nations should be just that. If this Wikipgae is going to simply follow the company line, then a disclaimer is justified. The disclaimer should point out that McDonalds is, in fact, not in 122 nations – but 122 nations, commonwealths, dependencies, territories, and special administrative zones.

Cletus J. "Bubba" Huckabee Jr. 03:28, 5 February 2006 (UTC)

Then change 'nations' but don't change '122' would be my opinion (it actually says '119 countries' at the moment; if the objection still stands 'countries and territories' might be better). Most people I think would not assume Guam and the USA to be one and the same, and a fair number of people would not even assume Hong Kong and China to be the same (an ongoing wiki debate alas). --kingboyk 19:39, 19 March 2006 (UTC)

Millenium Dome

The Millenium Dome was the UK's 1000th restaurant, not 2000th. The company still only has around 1300 restaurants in the UK. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 130.88.252.20 (talk • contribs) .

They had 2 stores in the Dome area, Store 1000 and Store 1001. 1001 was actually inside the tent and "UK1000" was outside as you entered the main entrance. Fkmd 03:40, 18 February 2006 (UTC)

IIRC, there was 2 restaurants (00 and 01), but one was a double story, and had a 'separate' McD's upstairs, complete with kitchen/counter... Am I thinking of the right restaurant, and, perhaps more importantly, did this second area in 1001 ever get used?

Re-adding deleted information

I hope I'm not missing anything, so I put back the information missing after this edit by 12.160.219.11 (talk · contribs), who has a history of vandalism. I was slightly hesitant because there was no revert in two days. --HeteroZellous 18:45, 11 February 2006 (UTC)

This just in: "McDonald's sued for having milk, wheat in french fries"

http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/2006-02/20/content_4202843.htm

-therearenospoons 11:17, 20 February 2006 (UTC)

Kosher McDonalds with a New Logo

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3221562,00.html

I think it seems somewhat notable to have this in the article, but I couldn't find mention in the article of the change in logo design in Israel. First change in logo design in, like, forever! Just to point it out to you guys. 64.230.2.178 01:33, 15 March 2006 (UTC)

Except that it's not true. As you can tell by looking at the video, McD's logo hasn't changed at all, and despite what the article says the company often uses different color schemes to blend in with location; the blue Kosher sign is not a change to McD's logo but an additional sign (and there are already things like this such as "McDonald's Express" with an additional yellow sign). It's just sloppy reporting.

BTW, I'd be interested to see what sign the kosher McD's in Buenos Aires uses, as this is the only other place that has one. ProhibitOnions 12:47, 15 March 2006 (UTC)

List massacres in history?

Sure, the McDonald's Massacre was notable, but the history section is already very crowded. We should probably list all the other multiple murders in a section in the McDonald's Massacre article, rather than in the history section here. There is room for more detail in the separate article. I've got no problem with them being mentioned in the main article, it's just that the history section isn't the best place to cover them. ProhibitOnions 10:08, 5 April 2006 (UTC)

Apple Pies?

I have often heard people in Australia (Queensland to be specific) say that the Chayote or Choko (as it is know there)is one of the main ingredients used in Mcdonalds Apple Pie's,or whatever they are called. (obviously instead of Apple or as a filler with apple) Similiary I have heard is that they are used in Cherry Ripes (a chocalate bar, like Mars Bar) which seems to be native of only Australia and possibly New Zealand.

Anyone heard this or is this just Urban Myth?--195.171.131.152 10:03, 7 April 2006 (UTC)Lucas

I can assure they do not use any type of melon products in their American sold apple pies. I eat them from time to time, and have no problems, as im highly allergic to plants of the Cucurbitaceae family.--Azslande 20:33, 23 April 2006 (UTC)

It is also illegal to not list ingredients correctly. -- Zanimum 18:25, 20 June 2006 (UTC)

McCafé

As it previously read, the McCafé section stated that McCafés were introduced in Australia, but also said the first McCafé was in NC. This didn't made sense to me, so I editted it to say the first US McCafé was in NC. If I'm incorrect here, please revert it...JWR 15:48, 2 May 2006 (UTC)

Protection?

It seems like this page is constantly being vandalized. There can't be that much real new info about McD's, so why doesn't someone protect it??? Wahkeenah 11:06, 3 May 2006 (UTC)

Because that's not how Wikipedia works. Even if there's no new info, this article could always be made better -- a lot better, I think. So we happily revert vandalism as we wait for the right editor to come along....

Right... but most vandalization is done by unregistered or new editors. Maybe it's just too amusing for the admins to stop? - The Lake Effect 17:15, 26 September 2006 (UTC)

Good Article nomination has failed

The Good article nomination for McDonald's/Archive 2 has failed, for the following reason:

The lead section is inadequate for an article of this length, and the history section should be properly written instead of being a bullet-pointed list. An article like this also really needs the better scrutiny of peer review and FAC. Worldtraveller 16:00, 15 May 2006 (UTC)

Hey, the lead section is particularly short. Look at the pages for Wendy's and Tim Horton's--the pages start out with what the chain is famous for, and then, under the history section, delve into the chain's history. Pageblank 04:02, 14 September 2006 (UTC)

Flags outside establishment

I think it should be noted that every McDonald's establishment (at least the ones I've seen) have (in order from top to bottom) the US flag, the state flag, and the McDonald's flag, similar to the logo on the page. Also, does this apply in Canada or other nations?--Attitude2000 01:57, 7 June 2006 (UTC)

It's not even a standard in the United States.--Ccosta 06:27, 19 June 2006 (UTC)

Disjoint the main article

I don't understand why disjoint the main article in little articles if some sections are not enough developed. I understand to divide when the article is too large and certain sections are big, but this is no the case. I think somebody from the corporation do not agree with the criticism and NPOV. --GengisKanhg (my talk) 19:08, 23 June 2006 (UTC)

First Reference dead link

The link about McDonald's and soya farmers via Greenpeace is dead, and now goes to different take-action thing about KFC. Should it be changed? Dropped? --Jkonrath 18:05, 27 June 2006 (UTC)

how much does mcdonalds pay the guy who maintains this page?

the tone of this entry seems quite fluffy. in addition, the links are oddly technical and tepid given the huge amounts of scrutiny this company has received. i am not referring to the msdonald's bashing fad sites, but more the comprehensive and respected pages. i wonder why. any ideas?

Please don't add nonsense to articles, and be sure to sign your comments, like me. I like McDonald's and so should you.--Ccosta 03:12, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

In fact, you should be lovin' it. Wahkeenah 23:20, 14 July 2006 (UTC)

I don't think it's right to tell people they should either like or not like any products, on wikipedia, even on a talk page. Garrie 03:12, 21 August 2006 (UTC)

And I don't think it's right to raise one's kids without a sense of humor. Wahkeenah 03:30, 21 August 2006 (UTC)

i think you answered the question

nonsense? hmm...

nearly food

Feed the first line of the German page to Babelfish, and you get:

The McDonald's corporation is the world largest company of nearly Food restaurants.

Arbitrary username 19:54, 17 July 2006 (UTC)

The image of McDonalds around the world

isn't quite right anymore. There is at least one McDonalds in the Green Zone of Baghdad.

Why have a criticisms section?

Why must every single Wikipedia subject have a "criticisms" subject? Why not just state the facts and that's it? Having a criticisms section just invites political POV trolls. I'd like to propose starting off on the right foot and deleting the criticisms section.--Rotten 19:55, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

• To present only one side of the story would be a POV violation. Criticisms can be presented fairly and balanced-ly. Wahkeenah 23:07, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

Just state the facts. Have no POV at all. I don't know why every single thing in Wikipedia needs a criticism section, it's just a troll magnet.--Rotten 14:47, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

That theory makes the assumption that the facts are fully known and agreed upon. Wahkeenah 01:52, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

Citable facts can be presented, but criticisms are not needed. They are completely uncyclopedic. Wikipedia is purporting to be an encyclopedia, isn't it? Anyway, I would like to propose that this useless section be deleted.--Rotten 15:31, 1 September 2006 (UTC)

You've already got folks complaining that this page is written by McDonald's Corporation, and you want to make it more so? Wahkeenah 18:23, 1 September 2006 (UTC)

Howard Johnson

"He would have been an interesting addition to a squad that already featured a player named Howard Johnson." -- could someone explain this for the rest of the world please? Just a quick note would be fab! Huseyx2 18:30, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

• Howard Johnson was the name of another restaurant chain once found along the Interstate Highway System. Maybe a simple link would do. Wahkeenah 23:59, 29 August 2006 (UTC)
• It's already explained. What don't you understand? Wahkeenah 00:00, 30 August 2006 (UTC)

Intro

I've expanded the intro and added a sentence that refers to the criticism McDonald's has received. I think this is important a) in the interests of balance and b) because it is central to the identity of McDonald's in most peoples' minds. Whether or not you agree with the criticism that has been directed at the firm, most people are aware of it. I think this should be included in the intro because, as some users have pointed out on this page, most of information at the top of the page sounds very pro-McDonald's.

What else is needed before McDonald's can be nominated for Good Article status again? Gruffle Gaw 10:01, 14 September 2006 (UTC)

Legal section

I think the legal section needs expanding. McDonald's have been involved in instances of legal action - some pertaining to cases outlined in the criticism section, some not. A more comprehensive overview of these would be helpful. I will do some research over the next couple of weeks. Perhaps a list of cases should be bullet pointed and put into chronological order, though I understand presenting the history section like this sabotaged the Good Article nomination. What do others think? Gruffle Gaw 10:09, 14 September 2006 (UTC)

Their and its

At the risk of being pedantic, there is a grammatical inconsistency running through the article involving the words 'their' and 'its' and their logical extensions. For the record, the correct grammar is:

• McDonald's held its pay review this week

Not:

• McDonald's held their pay review this week

While McDonald's is an organisation that employs many individuals, collectively they form one entity. Hence, the use of 'its', not 'their' when we refer to the firm.

The word 'their' should be used when we are refering to the people within the company, rather than the company itself. For example:

• Employees of McDonalds had their pay review this week

Not:

• Employees of McDonalds had its pay review this week

The word 'its' doesn't have an apostrophe in this context - that is reserved for a contraction of 'it is'.

There are examples within this article where the correct and incorrect usage appear in the same sentence. This does not do much to improve its credibility.

I hope this helps to clarify the situation. I will go through the article and change the offending words. Gruffle Gaw 10:59, 14 September 2006 (UTC)

References

References need to be properly listed in the references section at the end of the article as well as numbered where they appear. Gruffle Gaw 16:09, 19 September 2006 (UTC)

This Article is Missing Information...

I think that the article would be greatly improved by a link to a list of the # of McDonald's restaurants in each country containing any such restaurants -- I can't find this information anywhere else on the internet.

It'd definitely be something people would be interested in.

Unsigned comment

Comment: Relocated comment posted in wrong location. I just moved it, this is not my comment. -- Gogo Dodo 06:40, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

This will get deleted no doubt instantly after I put this up however this article is horribly favourable to mcdonalds and there must no doubt be someone hired to glorify them, they are one of the richest and horrible corporations in the world and wikipedia is more and more becoming a "reliable" source of information, don't you think a company of that size would try and suppress criticism?At least put a POV warning or something but come on!mcdonalds is one of the many (or few since they're slowly being bought by others) rich corporations who are DESTROYING THE PLANET! for you, your children, your grandchildren and for future humanity, peak oil, climate chinage, deforestation, global poverty (yet mcdonalds gets 2 billion profit) all in the name of profit. I urge you to think about this wikinerds, because soon we are all fucked —Preceding unsigned comment added by 222.154.74.100 (talk • contribs)

• The solution is obvious: GET IN ON IT. Buy McDonald's stock. And eat at The Happy Carrot. Wahkeenah 09:55, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

missing important investigative journalism

Nothing about Günter Wallraff here, and that article has nothing about McDonald's! see de:McDonald’s --Espoo 12:22, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

McPizza -- Details?

I'm genuinely interested in learning more about the whole McPizza thing -- How it happened, why it happened, details about dates (I recall the product launch in my area being the early-mid nineties, but can't recall when the product was abandoned), why it didn't work out, etc. At the time, it seemed like a slam dunk, and I recall that the local pizza places were quaking in their boots thinking that they were going to get wiped out. I haven't found much online about it -- can anyone point to some sources?

209.202.70.226 13:26, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

Grammar

"From 2005 McDonald's has offered more healthful alternatives"

Is healthful even a real word? Ironcorona 12:04, 15 October 2006 (UTC)

• Yes. [2] Food can be healthful. People can be healthy, if they try to eat mostly food that is healthful. Anything beneficial to one's health is healthful. Wahkeenah 12:14, 15 October 2006 (UTC)

how strange

i put my ==see also== wiki links in the criticism links section, yet the editor said it was POV and that noone forces you to eat at mcdonalds. Its simply a point of view to some critical links, and or sociology links.—The preceding unsigned comment was added by Portillo (talk • contribs) 11:30, 25 October 2006.

• The inclusion of those various links was clearly intended as POV-pushing, as making a "political statement" about McDonald's. That's why I deleted them. There's already plenty of criticism that focuses specifically on McD's policies. Wahkeenah 03:34, 26 October 2006 (UTC)

Funny tag or Easter Egg?

I noticed that when i tried to add a tag "{{better}}" assuming it would produce something like "^{[better cite needed]}" I get a external link pointing like this:

Now, is this a joke, or a deliberate tag for some un/used need, or just an easter egg? Idleguy 09:43, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

• It's some red-link user messing around. See his "contributions": [3] Wahkeenah 14:31, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

Mickie D's

The name, Mickie D's should also re-direct here. The name "Mickie D's" should also be mentioned in the article as popular slang, and a southern term to mean McDonald's.