Talk:Maximilian Kolbe/GA1

GA Review

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Reviewer: Coemgenus (talk · contribs) 15:58, 9 January 2015 (UTC)

I'll review this one over the next several days. --Coemgenus (talk) 15:58, 9 January 2015 (UTC)

Checklist

GA review (see here for what the criteria are, and here for what they are not)

1. It is reasonably well written.

   a (prose, no copyvios, spelling and grammar): b (MoS for lead, layout, word choice, fiction, and lists):

2. It is factually accurate and verifiable.

   a (reference section): b (citations to reliable sources): c (OR):

3. It is broad in its coverage.

   a (major aspects): b (focused):

4. It follows the neutral point of view policy.

   Fair representation without bias:

5. It is stable.

   No edit wars, etc.:

6. It is illustrated by images and other media, where possible and appropriate.

   a (images are tagged and non-free content have fair use rationales): b (appropriate use with suitable captions):

7. Overall:

   Pass/Fail:

Comments

Lede

• I'd leave out the "very" in "very active". Saying he was active gets the job done. - done

Childhood

• "a childhood vision of the Virgin Mary that he received as a child" This says the same thing twice. I'd cut " that he received as a child" - done
• "He later described this incident as follows:" I'd cut the last two words there. - done

Franciscan friar

• "decided to join". I'd just say "joined". It's the joining that we're interested in here, not the decision to join, right? -done
• "He was highly active..." Again, I think "active" covers it. "Highly active" sounds like hyperbole. - done
• You quote Kolbe's description of the Freemasons lauding the triumph of Lucifer. Was that really how it went down? Is there some more neutral source you could quote to describe the nature of the Masonic demonstrations against the Popes?
  • I cannot find any good sources for that. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 09:56, 17 January 2015 (UTC)
• There's a "citation needed" tag on the bit about him being the only canonized saint with an amateur radio license. Also, "canonized saint" is repetitive. Are there non-canonized saints?
  • Fixed. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 09:56, 17 January 2015 (UTC)
• "publishing a Japanese edition of the Knight... " I'd spell out the whole title. - done
• "Kolbe decided to build..." ---> "Kolbe built..." - done
• " this one however closed after a while." Is there any narrower estimate of how long it was open? A couple years? Decades?
  • I cannot find any good sources for that. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 09:56, 17 January 2015 (UTC)

Death

• Might be good to briefly explain the Deutsches Volksliste.
  • Fixed, through I explained it using my own knowledge, without looking for sources explaining what it is (I usually tend to avoid explaining this stuff for that reason, extra work while we have hyperlinks leading to articles where such stuff should be properly explained and referenced - not that it always is, Volksliste is in pretty sad state, ref-wise :( ). --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 09:56, 17 January 2015 (UTC)
• "subjected to cruel punishment". Calling it "cruel" reads like a hagiography. I'd either remove that word, or (better option) describe the punishment in more detail, and let the reader device if it was cruel (I'm sure it was!)
  • Fixed, I hope. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 09:56, 17 January 2015 (UTC)
• "in order to" can almost always be replaced by " to". - done
• Need a cite for the date of his cremation.
  • Found. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 09:56, 17 January 2015 (UTC)

Controversies

• The first sentence is far too long. - done
• "Kolbe has also been accused of anti-Semitism based on the content of these newspapers..." Which newspapers?
  • Clarified. In general terms, because it's not like the cited sources critical of him tend to be specific themselves. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 09:56, 17 January 2015 (UTC)
• "As of 2014..." I generally omit these, since they require constant updating. The sentence works without it, and will surely be changed if Kolbe is added to that group. But see WP:AO for more information. - done

Influence

• Marian theology could probably link to Mariology, no? - done

I implemented a few of the changes. Marauder40 (talk) 16:29, 13 January 2015 (UTC)

Thanks. I'll just wait on Piotrus to deal with the remaining issues. --Coemgenus (talk) 13:54, 14 January 2015 (UTC)

Mostly done, I think? @Coemgenus:, and thanks you both (also @Marauder40:). --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 09:56, 17 January 2015 (UTC)

This is all good, except for the Freemasons part. I haven't been able to find anything there, either. If we can't track down a neutral source, then the best we can do is make it clear that this is Kolbe's own story of what happened, not substantiated elsewhere. Ultimately, what's important is that he believed it, and that it led him to organize the MI. Also, when I clicked on footnote 10 for more information, the link was dead. You should update it or remove it. You've also got some inconsistency in the footnotes with authors' names. They should either be Last, First or First Last. I prefer the former, but it's the consistency that matters. --Coemgenus (talk) 14:11, 17 January 2015 (UTC)

The article already clearly attributes the Freemason account to "According to Kolbe", so I think that's fine. I've fixed the dead link, but I don't know of an easy way to fix the author last-first. As I am running a bit short of time, would you know how to do it easily? I see they are all part of cite templates, sigh. You'd think they'd at least be standardized... --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 13:39, 18 January 2015 (UTC)

I guess you're right about Kolbe's account. There's not much else you can do. And I fixed all your citation templates, so it's good to go. I enjoyed reading this article about an interesting and worthy subject. --Coemgenus (talk) 16:06, 18 January 2015 (UTC)