Talk:Max & Shred

Zap2it's Air Dates

Nothing major, but a minor dilemma here. The second season is slated to premiere in the US on March 21, 2016. That's in exactly two weeks and two days, including today. The problem is that Zap2it has the first episode's air date as January 8, 2016, since that's when it first aired in Canada; consequently, its other air dates are also not correct. There was the same issue with an episode of Austin & Ally and Jessie, as discussed here. The issue here is that, unlike with Austin & Ally and Jessie, Max & Shred's new episodes are over two weeks away, so they're not on any upcoming listings and therefore there are no dates for a "NEW" to be next to. The Futon Critic doesn't have the same issue that Zap2it has, but it hasn't been updated yet. So for now, I've just removed the air dates, but kept the titles. I'm open to feedback, though. Amaury (talk) 15:22, 5 March 2016 (UTC)

Good idea to keep the dates at TBA until there's something more definitive from Zap2it or Futon Critic (or other reliable source) on the air dates in the U.S. MPFitz1968 (talk) 15:39, 5 March 2016 (UTC)

(edit conflict) Probably best to just leave it blank for now. I tried to look for other reliable sources but I couldn't find any. nyuszika7h (talk) 15:42, 5 March 2016 (UTC)

This Canadian production looks to have been created for and mostly financially supported by Nickelodeon with YTV then picking it up. Show articles focusing on the U.S. outlet seem appropriate. Probably need to say something about this situation in main article broadcast section and that can be where Canadian second season premiere can be listed. Zap2it always gets info early and doesn't always seem to update based on reality. Best to wait for U.S. airdates to show up in a schedule and that reference should be in the column reference for scheduling info maybe supplanting Zap2it. Use Zap2it for future info but use Futon Critic for past record. Geraldo Perez (talk) 15:54, 5 March 2016 (UTC)

Hmmmm... Looks like I'm late to this particular discussion, but if an individual episode airs outside of the U.S. first, shouldn't, say, the Canadian airdate be the one that's listed (important: provided it can be sourced as such, independently of something like Zap2It)? Or maybe both airdates should be listed?... At the least, it seems like a situation like this should be "noted", perhaps with the U.S. airdate displayed (once it has aired here), but with a (sourced?) 'note' describing that the episode aired on "XXXX" date in Canada before it premiered in the U.S.?... --IJBall (contribs • talk) 15:59, 5 March 2016 (UTC)

I think a column header over airdate stating the dates are for the U.S. broadcast would be appropriate here. Although the show is produced in Canada, Canada appears to be the secondary market for it so Canadian airing info more properly belongs in the main article broadcast section. Other shows made in Canada such as Supernatural are much more obviously made by U.S. companies for U.S. primary consumption. This show was made by a Canadian production company for primary U.S. consumption and Nickelodeon looks to be the primary funder. Geraldo Perez (talk) 16:15, 5 March 2016 (UTC)

What's the general approach for handling episodes that premiere outside the "primary" country first, though? It would seem that adding a 'note' that an episode premiered in [country somewhere else] on "XXXX" date first would be appropriate in situations like this. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 16:50, 5 March 2016 (UTC)

General approach is to keep secondary market info, which is usually markets outside country of origin, in a broadcast section. A well-referenced note in the ep summary saying aired earlier somewhere else is likely to be acceptable, but we generally don't do that. Judgement call and is it useful info for readers to know in the ep summary. Geraldo Perez (talk) 17:00, 5 March 2016 (UTC)

Another option, if consensus supports, is to expand this article's lead paragraph to give start and end airing dates for each season for both U.S. and Canada but maintain the tables with U.S. dates. Assuming we can get well-referenced Canadian dates for all that. Geraldo Perez (talk) 17:10, 5 March 2016 (UTC)

Geraldo Perez, IJBall: Originally, Canadian air dates were listed there, but I removed them during my clean-up here for two reasons: I could not find sources to back up those dates, not even a general episode list to use in the column heading, and I couldn't figure out how to integrate them to work with the new table code, which I brought up on your talk page a while ago, Geraldo. Amaury (talk) 17:25, 5 March 2016 (UTC)

Huh. So it sounds like this series is one of those "special cases". I know at Transporter: The Series multiple columns for the airdates in the various countries were used. It sounds like that would probably be the best approach here, but if a source for the Canada-only airdates is unavailable, we're kind of stuck here. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 17:28, 5 March 2016 (UTC)

If we don't have a source for the info we need to document what we do have support for. Article looks fine with what is there now. Geraldo Perez (talk) 17:36, 5 March 2016 (UTC)

Agreed. Only reason season one wasn't an issue was because its episodes aired in the US first. For some reason, as mentioned a couple times above, Zap2it gets information early and seems to list first general airings, not first airings in the country or primary country of origin. In addition, it never seems to fix this as, for example, Austin & Ally's Bad Seeds & Bad Dates still has an incorrect air date of September 4, 2015. The correct air date is September 20, 2015, which is when it first aired in the US. Amaury (talk) 17:44, 5 March 2016 (UTC)

(edit conflict) @Amaury: Regarding the table code, see this example in my sandbox. nyuszika7h (talk) 17:53, 5 March 2016 (UTC)

The Futon Critic has updated. March 21, 2016, is the season premiere date, but on Nicktoons. Unfortunately, we don't have that channel on DirecTV because we had to downgrade packages a long time ago to save money. Guess I'll see if we can upgrade packages temporarily. :x Amaury (talk) 15:06, 11 March 2016 (UTC)

There are episodes that are not on the list

Like when Alwin made a banana spray that makes bananas last longer. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.57.205.41 (talk) 23:22, 3 February 2018 (UTC)

FWIW, there is indeed no episode with a prod. code of #204 in the episodes list. Now, it's possible that ep. #204 was never produced, or that it was produced and never aired, but either scenario is relatively rare. So it is odd... --IJBall (contribs • talk) 13:27, 27 April 2018 (UTC)

Canadian series

This show was produced in Canada (Toronto) by a Toronto-based company (Breakthrough Entertainment), as sourced here and here. As a Canadian series, this is why it was eligible for a Canadian Screen Award nomination, which is for Canadian-produced media. Although Nickelodeon USA picked up the series for broadcast, Nickelodeon Canada (not USA) is the one mentioned in the source talking about YTV/Nickelodeon's creative involvement: https://playbackonline.ca/2015/05/12/max-and-shred-gets-radical-at-revival/ Even when talking about Nickelodeon US, which indeed aired the show, a US network picking up a series does not somehow make it an entirely-American production. As the sources reflect, this is a Canadian production, and I'm asking that the article correctly reflect this, instead of (incorrectly) calling it an "American television series" with the production country listed as "United States" somehow. Additionally, the end credits and above sources specify that the series was produced in association with YTV in addition to Nick, with the "YTV Original" card at the end of the credits (which also include a "Produced in association with YTV" credit). This means that YTV belongs in the network column (as well as the production companies) along with Nick, not just Nick. Hammill Ten (talk) 04:26, 27 December 2022 (UTC)

Not only are you ignoring the previous discussion, you are also ignoring WP:BRD and WP:STATUSQUO. Furthermore, just because you start a talk page discussion does not mean you instantly get to apply the changes you want, as per WP:CONSENSUS, which you do not have, especially when you're the one who's wrong here. YTV acquired the series from Nickelodeon. A series does not have to be US in order to receive US awards or vice-versa. Amaury • 04:41, 27 December 2022 (UTC)

That's not correct though - YTV did not "acquire the series from Nickelodeon" (not sourced). As sourced, it was "produced by Toronto’s Breakthrough Entertainment" in Canada, with Nick (Canada) and YTV both "involved throughout the production process," not acquiring it after-the-fact. The source also calls it "the YTV kids' live-action sitcom." Further, YTV's press release ("YTV Introduces New Buddy Comedy Series Max & Shred) quotes a producer from Breakthrough saying: "YTV has been the absolute ideal partner for us on Max and Shred. Their creative team shared George's vision from the onset and their direction helped us all make the show even funnier and more relatable for kids." YTV was clearly a creative partner to the Canadian studio producing the show, not "acquiring it from Nickelodeon". Hammill Ten (talk) 04:53, 27 December 2022 (UTC)

Also, I did see the old discussion above about air dates, but it wasn't really about the production country, hence why I started a discussion about that. The only stuff there about it being Canadian is a hypothetical assumption that this show might've been "produced in Canada for US consumption," but this assumption doesn't seem to be true, and definitely isn't sourced. The series was clearly called a YTV Original (in the credits) and was produced in association with YTV, which definitely point to the show being intended for consumption on YTV Canada (which BTW still reruns the show to this day). Hammill Ten (talk) 04:53, 27 December 2022 (UTC)

(edit conflict) After the initial discussion in 2016 above this edit added American to the lead. Previously, as per MOS:TVNATIONALITY, nationality was left out of intro sentence as it is basically more complex than an obvious singular nationality. Both US and Canada were in the infobox then as well as both networks. Lots of changes since 2016. Based on what we know now and what is sourced saying it is a Canadian series looks more appropriate. Geraldo Perez (talk) 05:05, 27 December 2022 (UTC)

Thanks. I'm not sure why that random 2016 edit changed it to "American" in the first place. Hammill Ten (talk) 18:30, 27 December 2022 (UTC)

Note that Nickelodeon Productions, an American company, is named as a production company in the article. This makes the production dual national US and Canada. Per MOS:TVNATIONALITY we should mention both countries in the infobox and neither in the intro sentence. This was the way the article was post previous discussion on this issue and is the way it should be now. Also per the source used in article "With Nickelodeon and YTV involved throughout the production process..." supports Nick being part of the creative process for the series that goes with Nick getting a production credit for the series. This should be mentioned in lead. Geraldo Perez (talk) 17:43, 28 December 2022 (UTC)

Agreed that Nick was involved in the production, but interestingly, the source (where that quote comes from) refers to "Nickelodeon Canada" earlier in the article, as in Nickelodeon (Canadian TV channel). I'm not sure if it was Nick USA that was involved, or Nick Canada. Should we change the production company to Nickelodeon Canada or just keep it? Hammill Ten (talk) 19:59, 28 December 2022 (UTC)

The credits say "Produced in association with Nickelodeon". Both Nick Canada and YTV are owned by Corus and as far as I can tell Corus just licenses the Nick brand and content from Nick US. Nick Canada isn't owned by or is a part of Nick US. I think it more likely that Nickelodeon, the US company, was the one they associated with for creative input as initial release was on YTV and Nick's US channels. Also Nickelodeon Productions is listed the credits and is the likely Nickelodeon unit they were associating with. Geraldo Perez (talk) 22:27, 28 December 2022 (UTC)

Good point. I think the page is good as-is now, since it now has an accurate description of the production. Hammill Ten (talk) 01:01, 29 December 2022 (UTC)

Note that I have cleaned up the recently added content – the lede should be a summary of material that's already in the article, not the first and only presentation of info. So I've moved the relevant details to the 'Production' and 'Broadcast' sections, and expanded the references. Note that I also checked Variety, THR, and Deadline, and there is very little coverage of this series (at least in the U.S. media). --IJBall (contribs • talk) 04:04, 2 January 2023 (UTC)

There are unaired episodes unlisted her that were released on itunes

There are 6 episodes not listed in season 2 that should be here guys, they are on Apple TV and iTunes

1. The Tail Grab Reality Run
2. The Max Air Maxcot
3. The Big Dance Plant
4. The Crossbone Method
5. The Kickin Chicken

47.4.246.214 (talk) 23:14, 14 October 2023 (UTC)

https://tv.apple.com/us/show/max--shred/umc.cmc.678lsruev11h72ppol61kt6u8 47.4.246.214 (talk) 23:15, 14 October 2023 (UTC)

Added to the list using iTunes and AppleTV as sources. No airdates and still need someone to watch the episodes and fill in writer, director and create a short summary. Geraldo Perez (talk) 22:46, 26 October 2023 (UTC)