Talk:Matteo Salvini
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Mattéo edit
The correct pronunciation is with a closed "e", not an open one: just listen to how he pronounces his name. Additionally, consonant gemination is absent in Northern Italy. Regards,--Mondschein English (talk) 00:15, 9 February 2016 (UTC)
- 1) The correct pronunciation is with open e: in Italian talk shows they always use Standard Italian pronunciation, not Milanese regional one; 2) It's false that gemination does not exist at all in Northern Italy, even if in some zones (such as Veneto) is definitely reduced: but these are local realizations, not "Italian" ones! Would you agree that the "correct" pronunciation of Montecatini is IPA: [mo̞ntehaˈθiːni] since locals pronounce it in that way?--Carnby (talk) 12:25, 10 February 2016 (UTC)
- It's not Milanese, please, it is the whole area north of the Apennines. I am not saying, let's pronounce "´matée" the way it is peculiarly pronounced in the Lombardy, I am saying, let's pronounce the standard way. Could you please read this? https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geminazione_consonantica North of the Apennines the consonant gemination is simply not there. Why do you insist, what do you have riding on this. I could care less how y'all pronounce stuff in bella Toscana. Ciao, --Mondschein English (talk) 02:15, 11 February 2016 (UTC)
- Here is a good reference for you to read, Carnby: [Settentrionale]. Saluti, --Mondschein English (talk) 19:44, 13 February 2016 (UTC)
- "L'italiano del Settentrione è caratterizzato da una diversa distribuzione delle e e delle o aperte e chiuse ([e, ɛ, o, ɔ]) rispetto al modello fiorentino, particolarmente evidente a Milano, dove si sente la e aperta in posizione tonica in fine di parola (perché [per.ˈkɛ]) o in corpo di parola in sillaba chiusa (cioè seguita da consonante: stesso [ˈstɛs.so]') - In fact they say [ˈstɛs.so], not [ˈstɛso] as you would state.--Carnby (talk) 22:22, 14 February 2016 (UTC)
- No, the double s in this case is there to represent a voiceless s, not a consonant gemination... --Mondschein English (talk) 22:54, 14 February 2016 (UTC)
- "L'italiano del Settentrione è caratterizzato da una diversa distribuzione delle e e delle o aperte e chiuse ([e, ɛ, o, ɔ]) rispetto al modello fiorentino, particolarmente evidente a Milano, dove si sente la e aperta in posizione tonica in fine di parola (perché [per.ˈkɛ]) o in corpo di parola in sillaba chiusa (cioè seguita da consonante: stesso [ˈstɛs.so]') - In fact they say [ˈstɛs.so], not [ˈstɛso] as you would state.--Carnby (talk) 22:22, 14 February 2016 (UTC)
- Here is a good reference for you to read, Carnby: [Settentrionale]. Saluti, --Mondschein English (talk) 19:44, 13 February 2016 (UTC)
- It's not Milanese, please, it is the whole area north of the Apennines. I am not saying, let's pronounce "´matée" the way it is peculiarly pronounced in the Lombardy, I am saying, let's pronounce the standard way. Could you please read this? https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geminazione_consonantica North of the Apennines the consonant gemination is simply not there. Why do you insist, what do you have riding on this. I could care less how y'all pronounce stuff in bella Toscana. Ciao, --Mondschein English (talk) 02:15, 11 February 2016 (UTC)
- As an Italian native speaker, I can confirm Carnby is right. Mattéo is just a local variation on the standard Mattèo pronunciation.
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President of the Council of Ministers not prime minister edit
President of the Council of Ministers is the correct translation, others are dramatically wrong. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.30.236.72 (talk) 14:45, 26 November 2018 (UTC)
Multiple reverts/re-additions re. university... (small) edit war under way ? edit
In revision 881304710, I've reverted "16 years at university, and 5 exams away from his graduation" in the "Early life" section : is not documented, and partially impossible (left University before 1999, after => started at age 10 :D ). It has been re-added by an anonymous editor ( 93.56.161.119 ) twice already, without valid source or comment... Not sure how to deal with it if it gets re-added... --Farialima (talk) 18:21, 1 February 2019 (UTC)
"Many political commentators and newspapers, such as The Guardian, The New York Times, the Financial Times, The Economist, and the Huffington Post, have characterized him as a strongman and currently as the most powerful and prominent man in Italy. His political views have been described by British websites The Guardian and The Independent as on the far-right."
An Italian would be better described by Italian sources, don't you think? --179.28.247.219 (talk) 20:20, 3 March 2019 (UTC)
I agree to the previous comment. Please remove opinions of Guardian etc. Comments from Italian or EU journals would be more appropriate81.194.27.158 (talk) 16:08, 19 September 2020 (UTC)
I've put a "better source needed" tag on this. Italian newspapers are "closer to the action", but they are still not the optimum source for political science. The Lega Nord article itself has the ideology sourced from dozens of academic journals, why isn't this done here? Unknown Temptation (talk) 15:14, 31 October 2020 (UTC)
Political Crisis edit
Premier Conte has stepped down; from 20 August 2019 on Matteo Salvini is no longer Italy's Minister of Interior and he is going to stay in place temporarily, just "for the handling of current affairs" ("per il disbrigo degli affari correnti" is the official wording in italian). So I think that the entry on Mr Salvini should definitely be updated. 151.76.190.236 (talk) 21:27, 20 August 2019 (UTC)
- As you said, he's still the Minister of the Interior officially. --Ritchie92 (talk) 23:51, 20 August 2019 (UTC)
- I didn't say that. I said that he is there for the mere handling of current issues. All political activities by the previous Government have ceased as the Premier stepped down on 20 august and Italy is presently without a government. But anyway. 151.76.190.236 (talk) 00:28, 22 August 2019 (UTC)
- Simply not true. The current Italian government is the Conte Cabinet, with all its Ministers. --Ritchie92 (talk) 07:02, 22 August 2019 (UTC)
- Exactly, the government is still in office for the so-called disbrigo degli affari correnti (current business handling). -- Nick.mon (talk) 07:43, 22 August 2019 (UTC)
- "So I think that the entry on Mr Salvini should definitely be updated." is what I wrote; it means that the words of the article should be changed. "S. is an Italian politician who has served (and not who is serving) as Deputy Prime Minister of Italy and Minister of the Interior since 1 June 2018" could be IMHO a better option now. Serving makes you think that he is still fully in office (which is not true), while has served does not rule out that he is still keeping his office, albeit temporarily and with limited responsibilities. And as I also said, but anyway. Cheers 151.76.190.236 (talk) 19:08, 22 August 2019 (UTC)
- He is fully in office, he has full powers as Minister of the Interior. Cheers. --Ritchie92 (talk) 22:37, 22 August 2019 (UTC)
- Listen my friend, I know Italy is complicated and I will not be replying again. To me "to step down" is just that: "to step down". Think of Theresa May. When she stepped down her government was dissolved. How can you step down and fully retain your responsibilities. Could Italy's government decide on - say - international treaties now, or important legislative change? The administrative machinery is not dissolved though and former ministers are expected to lend a hand and to care for exceptional situations that may arise, just temporarily before they are replaced with new appointed ministers. 151.76.190.236 (talk) 09:39, 23 August 2019 (UTC)
- If the question is: "Is Salvini serving as Minister of the Interior at the moment?" the only true reply is "Yes". There is no official definition of "caretaker government" in the Italian political system, it's just a matter of institutional practice and tradition. The government is not expected to sign important international treaties however in reality no law prevents them to do so if they wish. As you say, it is indeed expected from the government to make important choices in case of emergencies or in case of decisions that have an urgent deadline, so that's quite a lot of power still in the government's hands (not just regular administration). --Ritchie92 (talk) 09:55, 23 August 2019 (UTC)
May I point out now that as of 05 September 2019 Mr Matteo Salvini has no longer been "in office"? 151.76.178.208 (talk) 11:28, 13 September 2019 (UTC)sorry I missed the point 151.76.178.208 (talk) 11:34, 13 September 2019 (UTC)
- If the question is: "Is Salvini serving as Minister of the Interior at the moment?" the only true reply is "Yes". There is no official definition of "caretaker government" in the Italian political system, it's just a matter of institutional practice and tradition. The government is not expected to sign important international treaties however in reality no law prevents them to do so if they wish. As you say, it is indeed expected from the government to make important choices in case of emergencies or in case of decisions that have an urgent deadline, so that's quite a lot of power still in the government's hands (not just regular administration). --Ritchie92 (talk) 09:55, 23 August 2019 (UTC)
- Listen my friend, I know Italy is complicated and I will not be replying again. To me "to step down" is just that: "to step down". Think of Theresa May. When she stepped down her government was dissolved. How can you step down and fully retain your responsibilities. Could Italy's government decide on - say - international treaties now, or important legislative change? The administrative machinery is not dissolved though and former ministers are expected to lend a hand and to care for exceptional situations that may arise, just temporarily before they are replaced with new appointed ministers. 151.76.190.236 (talk) 09:39, 23 August 2019 (UTC)
- He is fully in office, he has full powers as Minister of the Interior. Cheers. --Ritchie92 (talk) 22:37, 22 August 2019 (UTC)
- "So I think that the entry on Mr Salvini should definitely be updated." is what I wrote; it means that the words of the article should be changed. "S. is an Italian politician who has served (and not who is serving) as Deputy Prime Minister of Italy and Minister of the Interior since 1 June 2018" could be IMHO a better option now. Serving makes you think that he is still fully in office (which is not true), while has served does not rule out that he is still keeping his office, albeit temporarily and with limited responsibilities. And as I also said, but anyway. Cheers 151.76.190.236 (talk) 19:08, 22 August 2019 (UTC)
- Exactly, the government is still in office for the so-called disbrigo degli affari correnti (current business handling). -- Nick.mon (talk) 07:43, 22 August 2019 (UTC)
- Simply not true. The current Italian government is the Conte Cabinet, with all its Ministers. --Ritchie92 (talk) 07:02, 22 August 2019 (UTC)
- I didn't say that. I said that he is there for the mere handling of current issues. All political activities by the previous Government have ceased as the Premier stepped down on 20 august and Italy is presently without a government. But anyway. 151.76.190.236 (talk) 00:28, 22 August 2019 (UTC)
Vacant or abolished? edit
The infobox states for Deputy Prime Minister: "Succeeded by: Vacant". Shouldn't it rather be "abolished" instead of "vacant"? The new government is no longer using the position of Deputy Prime Minister, so I would say it's not vacant (which would mean the post was only currently empty and would soon get a new appointment). Nordostsüdwest (talk) 14:45, 5 September 2019 (UTC)
Semi-protected edit request on 12 September 2019 edit
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The constituency of election for the senate of the republic is no longer "Calabria" but it is "Lazio". [1] Tsu.name (talk) 20:21, 12 September 2019 (UTC)
Done--Goldsztajn (talk) 21:13, 12 September 2019 (UTC)
Immunity edit
It might be relevant to mention that an Italian Senate committee voted to strip Salvini of parliamentary immunity to stand trial for an immigration-related criminal case, but then again, it was Lega Nord that voted in favor of this, and the full Senate hasn't voted on this yet: 1,2 Because I'm not sure whether to add this to the article at this time, I'm mentioning it here. --1990'sguy (talk) 21:33, 21 January 2020 (UTC)