Talk:Maryam Nawaz/Archive 1
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PhD authenticity and Cambridge alma mater claim
There is a mention of Cambridge in alma mater. Please provide sources for the claim and she has indeed done PhD from University of Cambridge. Otherwise, please remove. --yh (talk) 12:28, 24 October 2014 (UTC)
- A lot of references there now! --Khadar Khani (talk) 00:21, 27 October 2014 (UTC)
- She has failed to prove her academic credentials and PhD in Lahore High Court [1] Since she could not prove her PhD, it should be removed wikipedia. As the only source quoted in the court of law was internet, this definitely means someone has been toying with this wikipedia article as well to add unauthentic information. Removing PhD claim and all related interview links.
LHC on Tuesday also expressed wonder over the combination of degrees – M.A. (English Literature) and Ph.D. in Political Science – earned by Maryam Nawaz. During the hearing, deputy attorney general Amir Rehman presented academic credentials of Maryam, but withdrew them after failing to answer a query whether the Ph.D. degree was actual or honorary. He said the details presented before the court were collected from the internet.
Dispute
I invite the IP user to discuss their concerns here. 331dot (talk) 10:30, 7 May 2017 (UTC)
- The information that IP user is trying to add is overly detailed. A summary is already added and could be expanded a bit but we don't need chunk of copy paste from Nawaz_Sharif#2016 Panama Papers leak bio. --Saqib (talk) 13:03, 7 May 2017 (UTC)
- you dont need to whitewash the article by removing this information. instead of removing everything that i put on the article you should make it slightly shorter — Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.106.129.178 (talk) 14:24, 7 May 2017 (UTC)
- Nothing to whitewash. This bio is written from a neutral point of view. The information that you adding is irrelevant here so better suits Nawaz Sharif bio and therefore it should stay away. --Saqib (talk) 14:38, 7 May 2017 (UTC)
- you dont need to whitewash the article by removing this information. instead of removing everything that i put on the article you should make it slightly shorter — Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.106.129.178 (talk) 14:24, 7 May 2017 (UTC)
Why are details about Maryams property and Maryams statements irrelevant to Maryams article? To not include them is a whitewash — Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.106.129.178 (talk) 15:21, 7 May 2017 (UTC)
So even though people reverted me, reported me and told me to discuss my edits, when I ask what is irrelevant about the content they cant respond? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.106.129.178 (talk) 07:11, 13 May 2017 (UTC)
- It seems to me that the question has been answered above- but to state again, the article must be written from a neutral point of view, and adding in excessive detail about alleged wrongdoing that only peripherally involves her unbalances a neutral point of view. Please see the guidelines for writing about living people. The part you added seems to be more about her children than about her. 331dot (talk) 08:06, 13 May 2017 (UTC)
- The subject was named in Panama paper leaks. A petition was filed against her but she was acquitted of charges. This summary is provided and is fair enough in my opinion. We don't need to go in detail per Wikipedia:Too much detail. --Saqib (talk) 08:19, 13 May 2017 (UTC)
Semi-protected edit request on 11 July 2017
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Maryam Safdar (Urdu: مریم صفدر; born 28 October 1973) better known by the name Maryam Nawaz Sharif (Urdu: مریم نواز شریف) is a Pakistani politician who is the daughter of Prime Minister of Pakistan Nawaz Sharif and the First Lady of Pakistan Kalsoom Nawaz Sharif.
in the above introduction of the person named above it is said that the said person is a "Pakistani politician" which in fact is incorrect. the person in question is simply the daughter of the Prime Minister.
please have this introduction corrected. M Siddiqui (talk) 19:41, 11 July 2017 (UTC)
Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. - FlightTime (open channel) 19:42, 11 July 2017 (UTC)
- she is a politically active in party politics and is seeking office in government which maker her a politician. --Saqib (talk) 19:54, 11 July 2017 (UTC)
BBC 100 Women
@P.Marlow: this is concerning your edit [2]; are you aware that BBC's 100 Women mention is listed in many BLP's? and do you happen to know about this event Wikipedia:WikiProject Women in Red/Meetup/29 ? --Saqib (talk) 13:09, 14 July 2017 (UTC)
- @Saqib: Nope. It is not listed in 'many' biographies of living persons. Specifically, it is mentioned in only 9 stub articles, all of which are of dubious notability. Even if it had been mentioned in more, it would still qualify for deletion for being an astonishingly low quality (how many times a source is mentioned is irrelevant to the point I was making, which is that your use of it appears promotional, and the original article list is neither notable nor an 'honour'). Honestly, though, I don't care about Maryam Nawaz. I could change it back (and improve this article), but given your edit history, you will change it back again most likely. You are one of the many reasons why Wikipedia is declining in quality. Clearly you're here to promote this 'political figure' to English language readers. Maybe she's paying you, maybe she isn't – either way you have no dignity or respect for the norms of Wikipedia. I hope you are proud of yourself.
- Please do not falsely accuse me for being a paid editor or POV pusher. I have no issue getting rid of this BBC 100 claim but since this is verified via RS, i would like to hear what others say about removing it. Your comments sounds very rude, though! --Saqib (talk) 13:40, 16 August 2017 (UTC)
- @Saqib: Nope. It is not listed in 'many' biographies of living persons. Specifically, it is mentioned in only 9 stub articles, all of which are of dubious notability. Even if it had been mentioned in more, it would still qualify for deletion for being an astonishingly low quality (how many times a source is mentioned is irrelevant to the point I was making, which is that your use of it appears promotional, and the original article list is neither notable nor an 'honour'). Honestly, though, I don't care about Maryam Nawaz. I could change it back (and improve this article), but given your edit history, you will change it back again most likely. You are one of the many reasons why Wikipedia is declining in quality. Clearly you're here to promote this 'political figure' to English language readers. Maybe she's paying you, maybe she isn't – either way you have no dignity or respect for the norms of Wikipedia. I hope you are proud of yourself.
Semi-protected edit request on 22 January 2018
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UNAMBIGUOUSLY your suggested changes below this line, preferably in a "change X to Y" format
CHANGE from X
Born in 1973 in Lahore, Sharif was initially involved in the family's philanthropic organisations, however in 2013, she entered in politics and was made in charge of
to Y
Born in 1973 in Lahore, Sharif was initially involved in the family's philanthropic organisations. However, in 2013 she entered politics and was put in charge of
Semi-protected edit request on 22 January 2018
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CHANGE X
daughter of three time Prime Minister of Pakistan Nawaz Sharif and the three time
to Y
daughter of three-time Prime Minister of Pakistan Nawaz Sharif and the three-time
Hyphens are used in certain compound words
such as
one-time pass
and
second-year student
and
nuclear-powered aircraft carrier
Semi-protected edit request on 22 January 2018
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CHANGE X
In 2013, she was appointed as the Chairperson of the Prime Minister’s Youth Programme however she resigned in 2014 after her appointment was challenged in the Lahore High Court.
to Y
In 2013, she was appointed as the Chairperson of the Prime Minister’s Youth Programme. However, she resigned in 2014 after her appointment was challenged in the Lahore High Court.
Semi-protected edit request on 22 January 2018
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CHANGE X
however in 2013, she entered in politics...
(and so on)
however in 2012, she entered in politics...
because the article goes on to state and reference that
"In 2012, she begun her political career[16]"
one year or other
The citation language seems clear enough - "2012"
Maryam Nawaz and laptops From the Newspaper April 11, 2012
"MARYAM Nawaz has recently entered politics."
3o3 (talk) 02:35, 22 January 2018 (UTC)
Done - Arjayay (talk) 12:36, 22 January 2018 (UTC)
Semi-protected edit request on 22 January 2018
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CHANGE X
took the matter to Lahore high court in October
TO Y
took the matter to Lahore High Court in October
Semi-protected edit request on 22 January 2018
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CHANGE X
In 2012, she begun her political career[16] and was made in charge of
to Y
In 2012, she begun her political career[16] and was put in charge of
or to Z
In 2012, she begun her political career[16] and was in charge of
Semi-protected edit request on 22 January 2018
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CHANGE X
After which PTI filed petition in the Supreme Court of Pakistan against her for misdeclaration.[25][26]
to Y
The PTI filed a petition in the Supreme Court of Pakistan against her for misdeclaration.[25][26]
Requested move 24 July 2019
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The result of the move request was: Not move – Opposed and withdrawn. (non-admin closure) Dicklyon (talk) 05:07, 2 August 2019 (UTC)
Maryam Nawaz → Maryam Safdar – The subject's passport has been released in the public domain and refers to her as Maryam Safdar. The same name is used in all court proceedings relating to the subject. Please refer to this link: https://en.dailypakistan.com.pk/headline/german-paper-confirms-maryam-nawazs-links-with-offshore-firm-minerva-financial-services/ Vikhtrrez
- This is a contested technical request (permalink). GeoffreyT2000 (talk) 01:42, 24 July 2019 (UTC)
- She is not known by that title and she is referred to as Nawaz in that article. WP:OFFICIALNAME. --148.63.157.82 (talk) 20:12, 23 July 2019 (UTC)
- Oppose This request is unlikely to succeed as the current title (the name by which she is best known) is in accordance with Wikipedia naming conventions. The cited news piece refers to her as Maryam Nawaz (principally all reliable sources use her maiden name) and the alleged official passport reads Mariam Safdar instead of Maryam Safdar as claimed above. Overall, Wikipedia is not a battleground and the political hankering by the rival party's activists has no place here. samee converse 11:58, 25 July 2019 (UTC)
- I suggested this move and I agree that the page title should not be changed. It should use the name that she is most commonly known by. This is in accordance with Wikipedia's guidelines. This discussion can be closed. Vikhtrrez (talk) 12:18, 27 July 2019 (UTC) Vikhtrrez
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Naming issue: Mariam Safdar should be mentioned in the first sentence in addition to Maryam Nawaz
Her legal name Mariam Safdar should be mentioned in the first sentence in addition to mentioning the name she is most commonly known by. This is in accordance with Wikipedia's guidelines on official names where relevant examples such as Bill Clinton and J. K. Rowling are mentioned. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Article_titles#Use_commonly_recognizable_names
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Official_names#Valid_use_of_official_names "Where an undisputed official name exists: It should always be provided early in an article's introduction, bolded at its first mention and, where appropriate, italicized." Vikhtrrez (talk) 12:25, 27 July 2019 (UTC) Vikhtrrez
- We do not mention disputed names in the lead sentences. The purported passport is neither a source in itself nor there is hardly any reliable source for Maryam Safdar either. samee converse 19:06, 30 July 2019 (UTC)
- Please elaborate on why you think her actual passport is not a source. For examples like Clinton and Rowling, no identity document exists in public domain yet their legal names are mentioned in Wikipedia's own style guidelines. Maryam's passport is clear evidence. In addition, the Panama Papers leaks solidify my argument as they also use the name Mariam Safdar https://offshoreleaks.icij.org/stories/mariam-safdar-hasan-and-hussain-nawaz-sharif. https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/2781439-Sharif-familydoc1.html https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/2779712-Sharif-familydoc2.html . You can see that she has signed property documents herself as Mariam Safdar. Vikhtrrez
- It's not our concern whether identity documents exist. There are plenty of reliable sources for their full names. samee converse 13:49, 8 August 2019 (UTC)
- We have plenty of reliable sources for "Maryam Safdar" as well. One just need to do a quick Google search. --Saqib (talk) 15:18, 8 August 2019 (UTC)
- It's not our concern whether identity documents exist. There are plenty of reliable sources for their full names. samee converse 13:49, 8 August 2019 (UTC)
Samee, I don't really understand what you're trying to say because of your curt responses. I've shown you that Wikipedia's guidelines suggest that the official name should be mentioned in the first line. I've proven to you through multiple, reliable sources that her official name is Mariam Safdar. If you are trying to suggest there can be multiple 'official' names, you are wrong. We do not have any reliable source that mentions her official name as Maryam Nawaz. Newspaper articles go by 'popular' names as opposed to official names. If you really have a reliable source for Maryam Nawaz, please share it as opposed to just alluding towards them. Please make your case clear if you truly want to achieve the 'consensus' you mentioned when you undid my changes. Vikhtrrez
Can we speak more about the alleged Maryam Nawaz corruption please.
The Pakistani people deserve to know. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.28.199.31 (talk) 02:50, 24 December 2020 (UTC)