Talk:Marvin Gaye/Archive 1

Archive 1

Here My Dear

Removed this first clause of sentence re: "Here My Dear"

Alimony payments

A court ruling in 1976 forced Gaye to record a new album and send the royalties to his ex-wife for missed alimony payments.

This isn't exactly right. Gaye agreed to pay alimony, and also agreed that he would pay the alimony from album royalties. However, the obligation to pay was not contingent on the royalties: it was just an agreed-upon means of payment. If the album didn't make money, he still would have had to pay.

For a fuller explanation, see snopes.com article and sources cited therein.

NPOV removal

But the memory and legend of this incredible Motown singer will forever be tainted by the very evils of the world Gaye himself sang and fought against, and paid the price for.

I removed the above for reasons of NPOV. Tuf-Kat 04:39, Jun 11, 2004 (UTC)

First to explore social and political topics

Gaye's What's Going On was not the first soul record to explore social and political topics--The Temptations beat him to it with their late-1960s/early-1970s string of "psychedelic soul" albums. Certainly, Gaye went deeper into the subject matter than the Tempts, but the Tempts (or should I say Norman Whitfield) were first. The article has been slightly revised as such. --b. Touch 02:28, 19 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Number of Top 40 singles

I removed this:

By 1965, he had released 39 Top 40 songs for Motown.

How could Gaye have released 42 singles (39 the three early flops) in seven years on Motown? If this is true, we need a list to verify it. --b. Touch 18:02, 9 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Amsterdam

Changed "Amsterdam, Netherlands" to "Ostend, Belgium." Gaye spent several years in Ostend, where he wrote "Sexual Healing". It is documented in the BBC documentary abour his life "Trouble Man", as well as numerous other places (for example [1]). He did not live in Amsterdam (or at least there's no record of it.)

--Deregnaucourt 21:39, 25 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Father's clerical denomination

According to Marvin's brother Frankie in his book Marvin Gaye: My Brother (2003), Marvin Gay, Sr. was a pastor in the Seventh-day Adventist denomination. The previous version of this article had it as "House of God," but the link directed users to an article about a novel of the same name. I corrected the link and noted Frankie Gaye's book in the "Further Reading" section.

Frankie Gay's book doesn't mention the "House of God" at all? It's apparently an obscure sect, perhaps related to the Seventh-Day Adventists. --FuriousFreddy 01:09, 30 Mar 2005 (UTC)

The "House of God," if it exists as a denomination or sect, has absolutely no relation to the Seventh-day Adventist Church. I would guess that the term "house of God" simply refers to a church building, or to Christianity as a whole. --Cromwellt|talk 15:12, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

Odd....

I notice from a quick Google that www.onlineseats.com has a page allowing you to "Book Marvin Gaye tickets online", although the biog on the same page acknowleges that he died in 1984.

Oddly there are no concerts listed...

AndyHolyer 11:15, 27 February 2006 (UTC)

Marvin Gaye died in the year '76, or '77. His father shot him in anger. Also, he was born with the surname Gay, but changed it to Gaye, for fear he might not get the respect and/or opportunity to be taken seriously.

MystiLilac (talk) 21:03, 13 June 2011 (UTC)

Uh he died in 1984, not "'76 or '77". There's tons of news sources on that. His death date is not unknown. It's common knowledge. BrothaTimothy (talk · contribs) 07:00, 4 April 2012 (UTC)

Featured Music Project evaluation

Marvin Gaye has been evaluated according to the Featured Music Project criteria, most recently affirmed as of this revision. The article's most important issues are listed below. Since this evaluation, the article may have been improved.

The following areas need work to meet the criteria: Pictures - Format/Style - Comprehensiveness

The space below is for limited discussion on this article's prospects as a featured article candidate. Please take conversations to the article talk page.

• Pictures: Needs fair use rationales
• Format/Style: Add a summary under "Biography", trim see also and external links
• References: Probably needs more citations
• Comprehensiveness: Needs some expansion - relationship with his father is barely discussed, but probably should be, since it ended with his death

Death

Do we have references for the circumstances of his death? Capitalistroadster 06:33, 20 May 2006 (UTC)

All those books resting in the "References" section cover Gaye's murder in quite some detail. --FuriousFreddy 00:50, 19 July 2006 (UTC)

The article says Marvin, Sr., pleaded guilty to manslaughter, but the entry on his father says he pleaded no contest. Which was it? --joey 87.160.191.230 16:00, 24 October 2007 (UTC)

Marvin Gaye and his father got into an argument pertaining to some paperwork from the bank, as well as to him living at home with his mother & father...his father became quite angry with him and pulled out a gun from his bedroom and while pointing it at Marvin, it went off. He was shot once in the chest. His father then pled guilty to his murder. The year of his murder was either in 1976 or 1977, not 1984. MystiLilac (talk) 21:32, 13 June 2011 (UTC)

I got rid of the word 'unlicensed' in the discription of the pistol used. For one thing what 'license' is the author refering to? For some reason people think you need some kind of license to purchase or own most commonly used firearms in the USA. That may be true in some limited jurisdictions, but I dont think its relevant to the situation. It will just confuse people or lead them to beleive something thats not true. I went back and looked at the source and the author mentions 'unregistered' also something of a misnomer, but the word 'unlicensed' doesnt appear as far as I can tell. The orignal source author makes reference to a 'cheap machine gun he kept in his bedroom' I dont even know what that means. For a 'true crime' author this guy cant seem to get basic facts nailed down. I would guess he has no idea of the relevant law, which is suprising given that he must write about law and firearms all the time. My point is, the source author has his head up his a**, so I simplified his story for him. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.150.89.94 (talk) 14:37, 25 August 2012 (UTC)

Sources

This: "His best records are still highly regarded, and he is often cited as one of the finest singers of his era." needs to be sourced. Who has said it? Aspern 21:02, 5 June 2006 (UTC)

GA Re-Review and In-line citations

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GA Review

The GA review on this page has ended, with a unanimous 3 to 0 consensus to delist. Primary concerns are low amount of references, (It's a long article folks, at least cover most of it) and large amounts of POV violations, especially in the legacy section. Review archived here: Wikipedia:Good articles/Disputes/Archive 8 Homestarmy 18:36, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

Trivia & Myths Section

Should there be a trivia and myths section if there is only one statement? I'd recommend consolidating into rest of article or complete removal RegainTheTruth 01:40, 15 May 2007 (UTC) RegainTheTruth

Movies

Hey, I'm new to Wikipedia so I'm not quite sure how to edit articles. I'd like to note Marvin's movie roles (Chrome & Hot Leather and The Balland of Andy Crocker); Src: http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0310848. They were both pretty bad movies, but Marvin Gaye dressed as a Green Beret and riding a motorcycle is interesting none the less.

Paving the way

"This achievement (along with those of contemporaries, Curtis Mayfield and George Clinton), would pave the way for the successes of later self-sufficient singer-songwriter-producers in African American music, such as Stevie Wonder, Luther Vandross, and Babyface."

Surely Stevie Wonder's struggles were contemporaneous with Marvin's? If this sentence is needed, perhaps Prince would be a more apposite example?

Mrcakey 13:12, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

I have been thinking of changing that to that of Prince but I would have to think since Stevie admitted to being influenced by Marvin after What's Going On came out that that's why that statement is there in the first place, but I'll probably change that to something else to benefit Marvin.

BrothaTimothy (talk · contribs) 17:36, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

FAIR USE RATIONALE NEEDED!

A bot recently removed about 8 photos that are in need of fair use rationale. They can be found in the article's history log. Please help add rationale and insert them back into the article. Thanks. - DMCer (talk) 19:16, 5 December 2007 (UTC)

This article needs some improvement, LOL!!!

Now not only is there a problem with some images being on there and the sound files somehow being "corrupted", there's also citations and sources that is said to be needed. I need some help here! LOL BrothaTimothy (talk · contribs) 05:51, 15 August 2008 (UTC)

Changes to the Marvin Gaye introduction and subsequent sections

I've proposed a change to the entire introduction of Marvin Gaye's "about" section of the Wikipedia article, so to speak.

Lemme know what you think:

Marvin Pentz Gay, Jr., better known as Marvin Gaye (April 2, 1939 - April 1, 1984) was an American singer-songwriter, drummer, pianist and instrumentalist. Starting his career as a member of the legendary doo-wop group The Moonglows in the late fifties, he ventured into a solo career shortly after the group disbanded in 1960 signing with the Tamla subsidiary of Motown Records. After a year as a session drummer, Marvin quickly rode up the ranks as the label's top-selling solo artist during the sixties. Due to numerous solo hits including "How Sweet It Is (To Be Loved By You)", "Ain't That Peculiar", "I Heard It Through the Grapevine" and his duet singles with singers such as Mary Wells and Tammi Terrell, he was crowned "The Prince of Motown".

Notable for fighting the hit-making, but creatively restrictive, Motown record-making process, in which performers and songwriters and record producers were generally kept in separate camps, Marvin was able to prove with albums like his groundbreaking 1971 album, What's Going On and his 1973 album, Let's Get It On, that he was able to produce his own form of musical expression without relying on the Motown system inspiring fellow Motown artists such as Stevie Wonder and Michael Jackson to do the same.

His mid-1970s work including the Let's Get It On and I Want You albums helped to influence the quiet storm, urban adult contemporary and slow jam genres. After a self-imposed European exile in the late seventies, Marvin returned to prominence briefly on the 1982 Grammy-winning hit, "Sexual Healing" and the Midnight Love album before his tragic death at the hands of his clergyman father on April 1, 1984.

He was posthumously inducted to the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame in 1987.

Then I'll add these things in the "Legacy" section:

Gaye's career has been described as one that "spanned the entire history of rhythm and blues from fifties doo-wop to eighties contemporary soul." Critics have also stated that Gaye's musical output "signified the development of black music from raw rhythm and blues, through sophisticated soul to the political awareness of the 1970s and increased concentration on personal and sexual politics thereafter."

I could put in the mid paragraph of the section somewhere, lol. BrothaTimothy (talk · contribs) 18:42, 18 August 2008 (UTC)

you

this information is wrong because if you didn't interview he than its wrong because other sites are giving me diffrent date like 1994 what going on came out and the album was live get your information corret —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.211.28.98 (talk) 00:29, 25 October 2008 (UTC)

Marvin Gaye as Environmentalist

Someone removed the comment about Marvin Gaye being an environmentalist, without giving any justification. I think this is a self-evident fact from looking at the lyrics to the song Mercy Mercy Me (The Ecology). I think we should add this comment back, and I think it's important enough to be in the introduction to this page. Thoughts? Cazort (talk) 22:12, 9 December 2008 (UTC)

Marvin Gaye's vocal range

It seems wrong. I've listened to many of his recordings and it seems more like Bb3-Eb5 than Bb4-Eb6. Can someone check this for me?75.142.54.211 (talk) 17:31, 2 September 2009 (UTC)

Other Notes

As noted in the movie "Standing in the Shadow of Motown" (among other sources), Marvin Gaye was also a drummer, performing live work and touring with Jackie Wilson. He also did session work for other Motown artists, but was very likely NOT one of the main Motown session drummers.

x —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.231.195.24 (talk) 21:47, 17 October 2009 (UTC)

Marvin did session work when he was initially not able to find success as his own singer. He had been playing the drums since he was in his father's church (alongside piano). He wasn't a main "session musician" but he did play the drums in other songs and for himself also. BrothaTimothy (talk · contribs) 23:16, 14 February 2010 (UTC)

Gay or Gaye?

In the first sentence, it's Gay. However, in the "Early Life" section, it's Gaye at his birth. Which is it?67.106.85.67 (talk) 04:33, 11 June 2011 (UTC)

Surname at birth was 'Gay' (as was his father). He added the 'e' later.Catiline63 (talk) 01:05, 22 March 2012 (UTC)

Yeah he was born Marvin Gay, Jr. His father never changed his surname to Gaye but Marvin's siblings (with the exception of Jeanne Gay), his wives, children and grandchildren all used Gaye with the 'e'. BrothaTimothy (talk · contribs) 07:03, 4 April 2012 (UTC)

He added the E to his last name when he began recording albums. VH1 classic tv channel showed his music video on pop-up video explaining that he did it at that time. ~~majinsnake~~ — Preceding unsigned comment added by Majinsnake (talk • contribs) 22:07, 3 July 2012 (UTC)

I've added a convenience URL to the book citation (#1) supporting the name-change. Hopefully this will calm any controversy. It is a bit jarring, at first, to see "Gaye" in the "Early life" section, this lets "Gaye" describe the younger Marvin throughout the article. IMHO "younger Marvin" or "Marvin, Jr" might be better, leaving Gaye until that point in his career. Discuss? --Lexein (talk) 03:51, 8 November 2012 (UTC)

Fixed. "Marvin" (and some instances of "young Marvin") were put in place of "Gaye" during the early years. BrothaTimothy (talk · contribs) 03:35, 20 November 2012 (UTC)

Unclear picture caption

Could someone with more knowledge than me correct the picture caption that says "Gaye is located in the right of a seated Fuqua." In the right? At the right, perhaps? But there are two people at his right. And is it really HIS right or the viewer's right? It's kind of confusing for the reader. GTGeek88 (talk) 21:28, 18 July 2012 (UTC)

Someone wrote "fourth on the right of a seated Fuqua" so maybe that cleared it. Sorry for not getting the description right. BrothaTimothy (talk · contribs) 03:03, 19 July 2012 (UTC)

This can be a GA (Good Article) page again

After so many years of being de-listed as a "Good Article", I think we need to nominate this again for being part of that list. I think it's good enough for being in the Good Article list but if you don't, you can always reply about what you think may help get it there if you don't like this article's revision. BrothaTimothy (talk · contribs) 03:05, 19 July 2012 (UTC)

It is far from GA-status. You need to use in-line citations, as clearly explained on your talk page. Regards.--GoP_T^C_N 11:53, 19 July 2012 (UTC)

Maybe I need help with all of that then. BrothaTimothy (talk · contribs) 15:07, 6 August 2012 (UTC)

There is no specific referencing style. A very simple format is to write the author, the title of the publication and the page. Perhaps also add the year. Then put the full reference into a bibliography section. A good example is this article, currently at FAC. It uses just the author's name and the page, while the complete sources are listed in a separate section. I personally use {{sfn}}, as it links directly to the full reference. An example using the latter format is Otis Redding. Regards.--Kürbis (✔) 08:59, 11 August 2012 (UTC)

I got you now... unfortunately I don't have the actual books and when I do try to find the "pages" to some of the stuff, they're either cut off because of its limited previews or something similar to that. But I'll try on some of the sources. Thanks. BrothaTimothy (talk · contribs) 23:55, 17 August 2012 (UTC)