Talk:Martinique/Archive 1

Archive 1

Formatting error

In Mozilla Firefox at least, it seems that the edit boxes have been pushed around to where they aren't supposed to be. Is there an easy fix for this?— Preceding unsigned comment added by 140.247.43.254 (talk) 00:56, 22 March 2006 (UTC)

Proposed WikiProject

There is now a proposed WikiProject for the Caribbean area, including Martinique, at Wikipedia:WikiProject Council/Proposals#Caribbean. Interested parties should add their names there so we can determine if there is enough interest to start such a project in earnest. Thank you for your attention. Badbilltucker 17:01, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

Plagiarism!!

The entire history section, bar the last sentence, on this article has been lifted word for word from the following website : http://ti2009.onera.fr/node/10

As there is already an article on the history of Martinique, I shall be deleting this section unless anyone objects. The website is not even cited. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Alexllew (talk • contribs) 16:09, 6 August 2008 (UTC)

Martinique

Martinique has a volcano called Mantagne Pel'ee —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.23.201.222 (talk) 21:49, 18 February 2009 (UTC)

Creole_Patois

You have to realise that patois means jargon or differing dialect..In France patois has negative connotations..the non-standard varieties of French were called patois as mockery..so please refer to it as Antillean Creole Domsta333 11:02, 9 March 2007 (UTC)

I do agree : "patois" is extremely pejorative in French. Créole is not a "dialect" of French, but an independant language with his own grammatical system - even if it uses many French words (but English does too...). Please, change this link for "Creole language". --Hubertgui (talk) 09:16, 24 July 2009 (UTC)

Ok aritcle mentions EURO has Island of Martinique on it. All EUROS ?

Just a question article says Island of Martinique is on EUROS currency. All EUROS or just the ones used on Matinique didnt understand! Merci' Thanks! (Dated AfternoonPMThur.Sept.10,200921stCent By Dr. Edson Andre' Johnson D.D.ULC "X")ANDREMOI (talk) 20:34, 10 September 2009 (UTC)

The paper Euro is the same design for all members - there is a map of the European Union on the back of all denominations of the Euro in which Martinique is featured along with French Guiana and Reunion.Aprhys (talk) 10:32, 9 December 2009 (UTC)

There is only one kind of Euros that is used From Martinique to Greece passing by Germany... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.174.127.3 (talk) 14:19, 25 November 2010 (UTC)

French Translation Template

Can we remove the French Translation Template at the head of the article? It's been there for over four years, and I think the information in the article is fairly complete as it stands. I'm not sure the French Wikipedia could add much aside from updating the figures.Margolensis (talk) 23:00, 19 January 2014 (UTC)

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acknowledgement of Africans in history

How is it possible for the island to be "mainly" people of African descent and for there to be no acknowledgement of how they got there in the history section? It also seems a great oversight to acknowledge the end of slavery in 1848, but not it's existence prior, nor any of people who survived it nor their struggle in seeking freedom. There is at least acknowledgement of some of this history on the "history of Martinique" i don't believe there is any reason these pages should have different information. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Free feral (talk • contribs) 01:41, 13 October 2018 (UTC)

Georges Robert (subsection 20th-21st Centuries)

I have created a redlink for Admiral Georges Robert as Robert Georges (admiral), as the name had been automatically linking to Robert Georges, an interwar French ice hockey player. I do not know if an article is being created for him, but anyone who is please note and create an appropriate link if necessary.Cloptonson (talk) 18:31, 17 August 2019 (UTC)

Abolition Day?

Is Abolition Day, commemorating the end of slavery, on 22 May or 27 May? "Emancipation Day#French West Indies" and "History of Martinique" and other online sources say the public holiday is on 22 May, but "Public holidays in Martinique" claims it is on 27 May. — SGconlaw (talk) 16:21, 23 July 2020 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Caribbean Wikipedians' notice board

I would like to announce the establishment of the Wikipedia:Caribbean Wikipedians' notice board. Anyone with an interest in the Caribbean is welcome to join in. Guettarda 1 July 2005 13:37 (UTC)

X SOS! 👣👁🧠 Uniquekey1985 (talk) 15:33, 9 November 2020 (UTC)

Actual flag

The actual region flag is here; I love MARTINIque. I'd include it myself, but I'm not sure whether to remove the unofficial snake flag entirely or where to put it if not. Any comment from the regular editors of this article? —Nightstallion (?) 16:31, 27 February 2006 (UTC)

The flag you linked to is actually the flag of the département, it is not the flag of the région. Hardouin 12:19, 4 April 2006 (UTC)

That would be of relevance if each of the four départements d'outre-mer were not also its own région d'outre-mer... ;) —Nightstallion (?) ^{Seen this already?} 20:01, 4 April 2006 (UTC)

Martinique has both a general council (as a département) and a regional council (as a region), the flag/logo linked above is that of the general council, the one on the infobox is that of the regional council. The snake flag is the unofficial flag of Martinique commonly used, the official flag being that of France. Confusing ? :) Equendil 22:50, 20 May 2006 (UTC)

As per the wiki page for the actual flag of Martinique "Martinique, an overseas territorial collectivity of France located in the Caribbean, has no flag with official status other than the French national flag." As such the info box should include the French tricolor and none of the unofficial regional flags, or that of councils and departments that Martinique is part of. As such could @Largoplazo: please stop reverting that change. Scu ba (talk) 03:10, 21 August 2021 (UTC)

The infobox should not include the French flag, as the French flag is the flag of all of France, not just Martinique. If there's no flag with official status just don't include a flag. CMD (talk) 07:03, 21 August 2021 (UTC)

Every US state has its own flag, and also has the flag of the United States as the flag of its country. But the US flag is not individually the flag of Colorado, Kansas, Tennessee, etc. Likewise, the French flag, while being the flag of the country of which Martinique is a part, is not "The Flag of Martinique". The fact that Martinique has no flag of its own is beside the point.

Think of an international sporting event, where the list of competitors in an event has each name prefixed by the flag of the competitor's country (in addition to the three-letter abbreviation) to tell us which country the participant is representing. Now imagine if France had an interdepartmental sporting event. Do you think that they'd prefix each competitor's name with the same flag, the flag of France, as a way of quickly communicating to us which department each one is representing? A list of eight names on the screen, all of them from different departments, all prefixed by the flag of France? That wouldn't work, would it? It would look silly.

It's as though a Wikipedia editor, in biographical articles about people with no religion, started adding their mothers' religions to the Religion parameter in the {{Infobox person}} template, as though every parameters must be filled in with something. If a person has no religion, then don't list a religion. If a national subdivision doesn't have a flag, then don't list a flag. Largoplazo (talk) 11:33, 21 August 2021 (UTC)

Why the continued used of the snake flag on this article?

In the article about the snake flag, it mentions that even in Martinique the snake flag isn't favored in anyway and in fact official action by the French government has been taken to reduce its usage in all areas of life there. Why is Wikipedia presenting that flag at all? I'd say the same of all unofficial flags of Overseas France. -- sion8 ^{talk page} 04:43, 18 February 2021 (UTC)

Wikipedia is presenting them because they're often just added in drive-by edits [1]. There doesn't seem to be any consistent presentation across French regions, some include flags some aren't official, some don't. CMD (talk) 05:06, 18 February 2021 (UTC)

Well that's annoying. Could the article be locked? sion8 ^{talk page} 23:49, 18 February 2021 (UTC)

Probably not justified under the Wikipedia:Protection policy. CMD (talk) 03:22, 21 February 2021 (UTC)

It's occurred to me that people who replace unofficial subdivision flags with the national flag are also in the wrong. The point of the field is to show the flag of the article's subject. US states have their own flags, and those are displayed. The US has a flag too, and it is not displayed in the state infoboxes: it isn't the flag of the state, it's the flag of the sovereign nation the flag belongs to.

For subdivisions that don't have their own flags, it still doesn't make sense to display the flag of their sovereign nation. If a subdivision doesn't have a flag, its infobox shouldn't show a flag, that its parent has one notwithstanding. Largoplazo (talk) 03:11, 21 February 2021 (UTC)

I agree with this. It's a perennial issue on these sorts of articles. CMD (talk) 03:21, 21 February 2021 (UTC)

Sorry for being so late, but your argument makes no sense. If officially there's no flag, but the national flag, then that's the flag of the subdivision! U.S. States have the power to enact their own laws, which make their flags official within their borders, French departments don't. -- sion8 ^{talk page} 23:14, 2 September 2021 (UTC)

The point of "this is the flag of W" is that "this is the flag that W wields to distinguish itself from X, Y, and Z". US states have such flags. If the French flag is the flag of Reunion and the flag of Martinique and the flag of Var and the flag of Charente-Maritime and the flag of Marne, etc., then it isn't exactly "the" flag "of" any of them. Imagine a French interdepartmental sporting event that, in the same manner as international sporting events, displays the flag of each competitor's department in front of the competitor's name on the scoreboard. All the flags would be the same flag. There wouldn't be much point, would there be?

Official state buildings in the US hoist both flags, their own to represent themselves and the US flag to represent their country. Official departmental buildings hoist only the French flag. They do that to represent their country. They have no flag to hoist to represent themselves as a department in that country. Or am I mistaken—do they hoist two French flags? If they do, do they know which one represents the country, and which one represents the department? Yes, I'm being silly, to illustrate my point. Departments hoist one flag, the French flag, because it's the flag of the country, not because it's the flag of the department.

You say "then that's the flag of the subdivision!" No, it's the flag of the country the subdivision belongs to. Largoplazo (talk) 02:16, 3 September 2021 (UTC)

I think the hardest part about this flag debate is that there seems to be very few (good) English sources that discuss the controversary of the snake flag. Maybe there are some French/Martinician sources that can shed some light? Angryapathy (talk) 13:33, 3 September 2021 (UTC)

I don't think lack of sources is too much of an issue. Our Flag of Martinique article provides a general picture, while fr:Drapeau de la Martinique and fr:Martinique#Drapeaux, symboles et hymne have more sources. The issue is probably that, per this article, it's an active political dispute, and that bleeds over into editing here. CMD (talk) 13:56, 3 September 2021 (UTC)

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Martinique does not have an official flag

User:Scu ba, recapping our edit summary exchange:

• You (putting the flag of France in the infobox in the place where, if Martinique had a flag, it would appear): "putting the flag back, yes Martinique is part of france, the french flag is used on the island, the link to the flag is to the article 'Flag of Martinique" which also states that as a part of france the islands flag is still the flag of france".
• Me (removing it): "It is not a flag *identifies Martinique*. It is no more the flag of France that the US flag is the flag of Florida. It flies over it as the flag of the nation, but it isn't the flag OF the subdivision."
• You (restroing it): " if florida didn't have a flag the US flag would fly over it like they do over unincorporated territories">

What are you talking about? The US flag does fly in every single state in the United States—because those states are in the United States, and it is the flag of the United States. In any given state, both the US flag and the state flag fly. In an unincorporated US territory

It seems you imagine that there is a box for every jurisdiction, "flag of", that somehow must be filled by something. But that's nonsense. The point of it is to show the flag that represents the entity the article is about. If the entity itself doesn't have such a flag, then it doesn't have one. There is no basis to argue, "Well, we have to put something there, so let's put a flag that does fly over the place, even though it's because it's the flag of this place's parent entity, not of this place itself.

To put it more simply: The flag of France flies over Martinique, which is part of France, because it's the flag of France, not because it's the flag of Martinique. Martinique doesn't have a flag. Largoplazo (talk) 11:14, 16 April 2022 (UTC)

Martinique is part of france. as much as that may upset you that is the truth. being part of france it's flag is, believe it or not, the french flag. the french flag is flown on the island, and used in official capacity by its government. The entity of the article is about a part of france, so therefore the french flag should be in the wikibox

I was never talking about states, I was talking about unincorporated territories so im not sure what you mean by the second part of the article Scu ba (talk) 19:55, 17 April 2022 (UTC)

I know Martinique is part of France. That fact is a premise behind everything I wrote. I also acknowledged everything else you wrote here, but pointed out how that is all different from it being the flag of Martinique.

In other words, you're just repeating arguments that I've already addressed to explain why they don't lead to your desired conclusion. Largoplazo (talk) 21:27, 17 April 2022 (UTC)

Notable people

The section on notable Martinicans, while illuminating, is extremely long. Can it be shortened and spun out to it's own article or list? Stevebritgimp (talk) 22:33, 11 September 2022 (UTC)