Talk:Martin Hoop

Gestapo?

The front page claims that Hoop was an agent of the Gestapo. Does this article? It's late here, and I'm possibly just confused. 71.194.163.223 03:12, 8 September 2007 (UTC)

• • I read the entire article, and from what it contains I have gleaned that the only time Hoop was ever undercover he was actually opposing the facist government and gestapo. It seems he was undercover for the Communists, not the Facists. This would be why the Facists had this influential labor-leader killed. --69.137.13.119 04:11, 8 September 2007 (UTC)
    • Correction in Main Page "Did you know" (8 Sept 2007; archive page 168) noted, with thanks, and elaborated upon, consistent with the Introduction. Bernhard Hoop 02:18, 10 September and Decemeber 4 2007 (UTC)

Carl Martin Hoop

If this is his name, shouldn't the article be moved to Carl Martin Hoop? -- Anonymous Dissident^Talk 05:01, 8 September 2007 (UTC)

• Name clarified in Martin Hoop Introduction. Bernhard Hoop 02:11, 10 September 2007 (UTC)

Questions about Significance

A reviewer of the German version of this article has raised a question as to whether the Thälmann-Hoop and Hoop-Arndt relationships are accurately characterized.

Towards this end, the following quotes, taken from sources cited in the article, may be helpful:

From: Norman LaPorte, ‘Social Fascism’, ‘Stalinisation’ And The Case Of The Saxon Communist Party, 1928-9, Labour Hisory Review, Vol 67, No. 1, April 2002:

“Immediately after the Second Reich Conference, both the Thälmann faction and senior functionaries in the party apparatus were anxious to act quickly and ruthlessly against dissidents at the local level. (foot note 29: On Thälmann’s correspondence with Stalin (see Watlin, Alexander, Die Komintern 1919-1929. Historische Studien (Broschiert), Mainz : Decaton-Verl., (1993), p. 180-181, ISBN-10: 3929455072, ISBN-13: 978-3929455076): a resolution demanding a purge of local dissidents was signed by Bernhard Wiesner, Bruno Siegel, Martin Schneider, Anton Saefkow, Bruno Goldhammer, Kurt Frölich, Paul Gruner, Martin Hoop."

“…the policy debate in Saxony centered on how strictly to enforce the ‘united front from below.” The Saxon leadership split into two distinct groupings. One of which rejected any form of cooperation with the SPD; the other, however, believed that it was necessary to ‘unmask’ the SPD’s Executive by calling on it to cooperate with the KPD, in what would have constituted a district level ‘united front from above.’ The debate concluded that even at local level the KPD could not call on the SPD to participate in the campaign, local Unity Committees could address local branches of the SPD. (footnote 54: M. Schneider and Kurt Frölich favored this option. Other district secretaries, such as Martin Hoop, advocated no contact at all with SPD leaders.”

From: Norman H. Laporte, ‘Stalinization’ and its Limits in the Saxon KPD, 1925-28, European History Quarterly, Vol 31, No. 4, p. 562:

“In East Saxony, only the leadership of the sub-district Bautzen actively opposed the party line and the expulsion of Ruth Fischer and Maslow. Siegfried Rädel, the functionary sent to Bauzten to assess the situation in the wider party membership, concluded that ‘The intellectual spiritus rector is Hoop…[but] he has as good as no support behind him.’" SAPMO I 3/8/27. KPD.8.Ostsachsen, An das ZK. Dresden, den 9.6.1926, Bl. 429-430.

“Interestingly, the Opposition in Bautzen sent a letter of protest to the Zentralkomitee in Berlin and to the Executive Committee of the Communist International in Moscow, causing concern in the Bezirksleitungen that developments in the district would be misinterpreted.” SAPMO I 3/8/25. Protokol der BLS, Ostsachsen vom 10.7.1926 BL 101 (Renner)

SAPMO = Stiftung Archiv der Parteien und Massen Organizationen der DDR, Bundesarchiv, Berlin

Aus: Reinhard Prause, Martin Hoop – unser Vobild, Bautzener Kulturschau 10 September 1978, Heft 9, S.3 f.

“Nach der Konstituierung des marxistisch-leninistischen Zentralkomitees unter Ernst Thälmann wurde Martin Hoop zu dessen leidenschaftlichem Anhänger. Wie Thälmann vertrat er die Politik der Schaffung der Einheitsfront der Arbeiterklasse.”

NB: Unlike the thoroughly researched scholarly LaPorte articles, the informal Prause article contains no citations and features an incorrect photograph which is NOT of Martin Hoop, but in fact, of Kurt Pchalek (see ref. 14 of main article Martin Hoop). Therefore, the Prause article may perhaps not be a useful source.

--Bernhard Hoop (talk) 03:06, 22 May 2009 (UTC)

--See also further discussion (in English) under [1] --Bernhard Hoop (talk) 15:59, 10 July 2009 (UTC)

Martin Hoop with two unidentified persons

Martin Hoop (right) with two unidentified individuals, 1920

This photo, from a private family collection (dated "1920" by hand on the reverse), shows Martin Hoop (right) with two unknown persons in an unknown location. Could the person on the left possibly be Arkadi Maslow or Ernst Thälmann? Could the person in the center possibly be Josef Stalin?--Bernhard Hoop (talk) 21:14, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

Further note: Could this photograph have perhaps been taken on the occasion of founding of the Bautzen regional group of the Communist Party of Germany (KPD)? (cf. following quote from reference 4 of the main article):

From: Lodni Erich, “Martin Hoop, zum 75. Geburtstag am 14 April,” Bautzener Kulturschau 1967, Vol. 5, pp 7-8

“The first KPD regional group in the Oberlausitz was founded in Cunewalde on 25th May, 1919. It is possible that comrade Martin Hoop and other members of the Independent Socialist Party of Germany (USPD) joined the recently formed regional KPD group, perhaps not founding it, but bringing it into political activity. Evidence for this is the fact that the Bautzen KPD group proposed its own list of candidates in the election for city councilors on 12 December 1920, i.e., a full six months after founding of the Bautzen regional KPD. Martin Hoop was listed as the first candidate. This candidate list, published in the 7 December 1920 issue of the Bautzener Tageblatt is the first documented evidence for the political role of comrade Martin Hoop in the recently formed KPD regional group.” --Bernhard Hoop (talk) 03:30, 19 October 2009 (UTC)

Assessment comment

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Notes and References need to be put into more acceptable format (with and/or without translations). Bernhard Hoop 04:10, 7 September 2007 (UTC) The quotes should use the {{Quotation}} template, cites and refs as above. Sebastian scha. (talk) 03:53, 27 September 2008 (UTC) Quotation template used; Reference formats changed, as requested. Bernhard Hoop (talk) 03:30, 3 June 2009 (UTC)

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