Talk:Martha Plimpton/Archive 1

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This article deserves an importance-assessment of "Mid" rather than "Low." The guideline for assessing an article as "Mid" is: "Use for plays or people that are very well known to regular theatregoers." As a three time Tony-nominated actress, member of Broadway's Roundabout Theatre Company and honoree of Steppenwolf Theatre's "Women in the Arts," she most certainly is very well known to regular theatregoers. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.175.94.138 (talk) 21:23, 4 January 2011 (UTC)

"She became involved with The Steppenwolf Theatre Company in Chicago. She is single-handedly credited with revitalizing the play Hedda Gabler through her work there.[citation needed]"

You have got to be kidding. Hedda is a classic play, performed constantly, that needed no revitalization. No wonder no source is credited! This should be cut. Absalom89 19:11, 13 May 2007 (UTC)

Discussing several changes made March 30, 2008 - I made several edits to this article because the general demeanor was unnecessarily and unsupportedly negative. I removed "disastrous and panned" because it is a strong critical and subjective statement to make without any supporting citation or reference. I removed "sparingly" because there was no citation or reference, and IMDB suggests she worked that year, and I don't know what it means to say an actor worked "sparingly" - intermittent work is the nature of the acting profession. I'm guessing most actresses would love to have worked in as many important and diverse roles as Plimpton, as consistently as she has worked. I removed "lukewarm reviews" for Samantha because again no reference or citation was given, and IMDB users have given it a favorable rating on average. I removed "did not succeed financially" because again there was no citation or reference.

I removed the suggestion that Plimpton's move to more theater acting was due to a stalling film career, because there was no reference, citation, or causal relationship shown. Many actors move to theater for many good reasons other than "their movie career stalled." No one can say from an encyclopedic perspective why she moved more to theater without citing her or some other authoratative source speaking to that specific issue. Further, IMDB suggests since 2001 she has worked in TV or film at least once a year, so the assertion may be incorrect altogether.

I removed "overshadowed her work" because her work has not been "overshadowed" - that's just a mean thing to assert, given her quality body of work already assembled at that time and the quality work she's done since that time. Onemoreoption (talk) 23:11, 30 March 2008 (UTC)

I Shot Andy Warhol

"...most notably as the lesbian lover of radical feminist Valerie Solanas in the film I Shot Andy Warhol"

The character she plays in that film is a friend, not a lover. Several times in the film the character asserts she has a girlfriend, and refuses to let the homeless Solanis stay at her house for fear of inciting jealousy in her actual lover. I changed "lesbian lover" to "close friend." While her character is also a lesbian, she is certainly not Solanis' lover in any way shape or form. Omgplz (talk) 22:04, 29 July 2008 (UTC)

Success of Samantha

The page says "The success of Samantha garnered Plimpton a variety of roles in 1993." But the page for Samantha says it was a box office failure. Which is it? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 152.30.220.33 (talk) 04:49, 7 December 2008 (UTC)

Movie Table

A listing of her roles in table format would greatly enhance this article. Missjessica254 (talk) 16:19, 4 June 2009 (UTC)

Shaved head?

including an appearance together at the Academy Awards where she sported a shaved head.

Really? That does not look like a shaved head in the picture. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.240.89.45 (talk) 14:38, 28 December 2009 (UTC)

Inaccurate personal "information" removed

I have removed the section entitled "Personal" as it breaches several of Wikipedia's policies, including those about biographies of living persons.

The latter policy requires verifiability, and that all content be reliably sourced, which the section does not even attempt to achieve.

The policy also requires "a high degree of sensitivity". I see nothing sensitive in referring to a personal relationship with someone who died very young and making a defamatory statement about an alleged substance-abuse illness of a person who is not alive to defend himself.

Wikipedia's policy also requires biographies to be written conservatively with regard to the subject's privacy, and to avoid repeating gossip. The policy states that Wikipedia is not "a vehicle for the spreading of titillating claims about people's lives". The whole of the omitted section was just nonsensical gossip that bears no relation to Ms Plimpton's acting or singing, the subject of the biography.

Wikipedia's policy also requires that the possibility of harm to living subjects must be considered. Clearly this was not done - neither the harm to Ms Plimpton, nor to Mr Phoenix's surviving family, was considered in the inclusion of the offensive material.

Wikipedia also requires that articles about the deceased (which, I assume, includes references to the deceased in articles about others) must comply with all other Wikipedia policies, including sourcing.

Over and above the offensive, unverified (or, indeed, unverifiable) nature of the material, it is not even accurate. The director mentioned in not married to Ms Plimpton's mother and the photograph ON THE SAME PAGE shows that Martha's head was NOT shaved at the Oscars.

The policy on BLP requires contentious material about a living person to be removed immediately, without waiting for discussion. I am a newbie and I hope I have not done the wrong thing, but to me the omitted section represents the worst features of the internet and our celebrity-obsessed society, and I think Wikipedia should be above all that.Ethel&bobby (talk) 14:14, 13 February 2010 (UTC)

I also omitted the reference to her parents not being married at the time of her birth. Most people who were born after the eighteenth century would regard that as an irrelevant comment. To the extent that it was meant to be derogatory (in place of the words "illegitimate" or "bastard", perhaps)it offends Wikipedia's policies.Ethel&bobby (talk) 14:21, 13 February 2010 (UTC)

This seems entirely reasonable to me. Tony (talk) 02:56, 14 February 2010 (UTC)

I have not done anything, but Martha's page at "myspace" is way out of date as she has not logged in there since Feb 2009, can we edit that? 76.68.83.205 (talk) 05:51, 20 June 2010 (UTC)

I am trying to figure out why this is under the personal section because it sounds like gossip.

"It has been reported that Plimpton's manners deteriorate as she gets drunk. When she is drunk enough to be spilling her martini all over the bar at The Campbell Apartment she becomes loud and hostile. She seems to be afraid to speak directly to people when she tries to start a confrontation. Instead she makes overly loud statements to her companion so others will overhear, in a display that is surprisingly juvenile for a woman of her advancing age. Speculation has been made that there might be a connection between this behavior and her breakup with Walker." 209.234.209.242 (talk) 10:06, 14 July 2016 (UTC)

Twitter

If you're going to remove the Twitter link for not meeting wiki standards, than the Myspace link should be removed as well. It violates the same rule, additionally, as another user mentioned, she hasn't used it in quite some time. I'll be re-adding the Emmy Winners cat, as most others are listed in this category. If someone can give me a clear reason why she should not be included in the category, I'm all ears. 96.232.170.185 (talk) KC12286 —Preceding undated comment added 03:32, 7 April 2013 (UTC)

better infobox photo

it's grainy, and an awkward angle.. it's hard to tell that it's her. --Sensorsweep (talk) 06:54, 17 April 2013 (UTC)

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Relationship with River Phoenix

Plimpton was the first girlfriend of Phoenix. (source: Friend, Tad (April 1994). "River, with love and anger". Esquire Magazine.)

In 1986, during the five-month shoot of Peter Weir's The Mosquito Coastin Belize, Plimpton began a romance with her co-star Phoenix, a relationship which continued in some form for many years. ref name="The Independent">"Wasted: How on earth did River Phoenix, purest of all child stars, sensitive, clean-living and eco-friendly, end up dead from a drug overdose at the age of 23?". The Independent. December 5, 1993. Retrieved July 22, 2013.

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Feature film debut

Lede: "Her feature film debut was in The River Rat (1984).."

Main body of article: "She made her feature film debut in 1981, when at the age of eleven she had a small role in the film Rollover."

Clearly this can't stand, so I've adjusted the lede, along with other small copyedits. Harfarhs (talk) 18:19, 6 July 2019 (UTC)