Talk:Marron River

Speculative content should be removed

Andrew, there's various elements in the content here that have to be pulled out, as they're subjective/speculative judgements and not in any of the sources given. See WP:OR and WP:Synthesis. Also, please be wary of words such as "unique"....you may well be right that there are few named rivers that end without a surface outlet in BC, though I think you'll find in the Missezula Lake area there are several which have no outlet, but those are often unnamed (it's a lava bed full of potholes/sinks). Also, Pavilion Lake has an underground outlet into Pavilion Creek and the two lakes which feed it - Crown Lake and its neighbour (forgotten the name for now) do not connect to it via a surface creek (it's a karst area). I think around the Cariboo and Chilcotin you'll find other examples but maybe none with named streams leading into them. As far as the citable cause of this, I suggest you look through the Water Rights Branch website or around Okanagan Falls-area hobby sites, if any, to see what they might say; a general google for "Marron River"+"British Columbia" might turn up something. As for the name, the cites say what the cites say, so that's fine, and the wild horses story fits in that aspect; but Marron is also a derivant of "maroon", which among other meanings is a term for an escaped slave; in its Chinook Jargon form lemolo it means renegade or rebel/gone wild, and also infers dangerously crazy. There may be a story attached to the Okanagan Trail about this river and/or its valley which may account for the name, but I haven't read all the accounts of journeys via that trail, which began in 1858 and were travelled by men coming up from California who were familiar with Spanish (including some Mexicans, but that's not necessarily the case). Anyway mostly just posting this to observe that some of your content here is speculative in tone and content and cannot stay; I didn't take the scissors to it just yet; read the OR and synth pages and decide for yourself, and be wary of editorializing; I used to do it a lot when I first came to Wikipedia but it's not "encyclopedic" and "outside the rulebook".Skookum1 (talk) 00:19, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

Hi Skookum

Thanks for the advice. Yes, I agree some of my sources don't say anything about the underground outlet thing but I have very good reason to believe this is the case. Why? Have a look at Google Earth, there is no river whatsoever between that unnamed lake & Skaha. Second, look at the basemap; it too shows no river between the 2 lakes. Hey that gives me an idea, would the basemap be a good reference? That supports my "no outlet" theory. You simply, on the basemap, see any blue between those lakes so to my knowledge that is good enough info but you know this type of thing better than me so you tell me. As for WP:OR, is seeing no river between those two lakes & writing that in the article Original Resaerch? I did not think it was.

As for the statement rgarding that it is one of the few rivers in BC that do that, I will for sure fix that. I think when I wrote that, I just took it one step too far. I'll fix it. Regards AndrewEnns (talk) 05:11, 8 June 2009 (UTC)