Talk:Mark Riebling

Deleting Interpolation by IP 108.27.82.232

IP 108.27.82.232 interpolated that Rieblng is "Trotskyite neoconservative" but provided no citation. Further, Riebling's writings (unlike, say, those of Christopher Hitchens) do not support that chracterization. In his "Notes Toward a Critique of Conservative Reason," for instance, Riebling takes issue with the foundations of conservatism generally, and of Straussian neo-conservatism especially. If Riebling's politics are nevertheless judged germane to his biography, one could say that he has published in right-leaning publications; but also that he has published in left-leaning publications including The Guardian (London). In any case, do not see any useful encylopedic purpose in speculating on Riebling's politics in absence of evidence. Timoleon212 (talk) 17:50, 17 October 2010 (UTC)Timoleon212Timoleon212 (talk) 17:50, 17 October 2010 (UTC)

it must be rather difficult to talk about yourself in the third person, no?Polemicist2 (talk) 19:05, 20 March 2011 (UTC)

Length and detail

The article appears to dwell extensively on the subject's views, which mostly appear to be self-published. Rather than detailing them here, perhaps just linking to his blog would be sufficient. The only views we should go into are those that are notable enough to have been mentioned in reliable 3rd-party sources.   Will Beback  talk  23:24, 8 September 2009 (UTC)

This article surely does not read like an encyclopedia entry. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.66.10.145 (talk) 01:11, 5 April 2010 (UTC)

I think the concerns above have been addressed in edits -- I see only two references to his blog posts and the rest are to published 3rd-party sources. Probably some of the detail of his views could be condensed further, however, this does not read like a resume. It includes criticism of his work, etc.Timoleon212 (talk) 17:04, 4 August 2010 (UTC)

• Sorry Timoleon, but this version, the last one you edited, is already excessively bloated. And the most recent version, this one, was even worse--I wonder if IP 68.174.133.176 is the subject's agent. Drmies (talk) 19:46, 3 September 2010 (UTC)

Thanks, Drmies, your edits have improved the entry to be sure. Suggest the following could be restored for the following reasons:

-- Influence -- suggest the paragraph is stronger with reference to President’s decision to close “seam” between foreign and domestic surveillance. Saying instead that subject is frequently cited in U.S. media seems to me make the page more like a resume rather than less.

• No, since that suggests it was the result of the subject's actions. Drmies (talk) 01:48, 4 September 2010 (UTC)

-- Warrantless surveillance controversy. Suggest this meets the criteria for noteworthiness. At one point the entry cited four or five law review articles cited discussing the subject’s views on in connection with debate about Title II of the USA Patriot Act. Further, if the controversy is worth mentioning, it may be helpful to explain to readers how it ended (with the supreme court decision upholding warrantless surveillance) rather than leave it hang.

• Again, I don't think so--the only primary sources in that section had nothing to say on the subject, only on that topic of surveillance. Drmies (talk) 01:48, 4 September 2010 (UTC)

-- Personal responsibility at the founding. Suggest the few sentences as originally written met the criteria for noteworthiness. More than 450 web pages link to this essay from a reputable printed magazine in which subject of entry corrected an entry in the Oxford English dictionary.

• If secondary sources prove the topic's notability, then I have no problem with it. But as I explained in (many) edit summaries, there were only primary sources here. No secondary sources, no notability--that's the rule. Drmies (talk) 01:48, 4 September 2010 (UTC)

Timoleon212 (talk) 01:36, 4 September 2010 (UTC)Timoleon212

Additionally...

Suggest that in External Links, links to select discussions of subject's work may be more relevant than link to subject's website.

• It seems that about a third of the original links, in the various sections, were to the subject's own blog, which had transcripts of NPR interviews etc. I think you are overstating the case--for "discussions of subject's work," I read "mentions of subject." Discussions on Wikipedia usually means in-depth discussions, and I did not see any of those. Drmies (talk) 01:48, 4 September 2010 (UTC)

Timoleon212 (talk) 01:36, 4 September 2010 (UTC)Timoleon212

• Thanks for your note. Drmies (talk) 01:48, 4 September 2010 (UTC)
  • BTW, I just learned, on Talk:Winston Churchill (this edit and the following), that you are also IP 68.174.133.176. Nothing wrong with that, but keep in mind that it may make folks wonder. Drmies (talk) 01:50, 4 September 2010 (UTC)

Drmies - good work on getting the article back into shape.   Will Beback  talk  00:48, 5 September 2010 (UTC)

Bibliography

From the article page, where it shouldn't be:

By Mark Riebling

• Wedge - The Secret War between the FBI and CIA
• "Personal Responsibility at the Founding: How the Framers Coined a Phrase as they Created a Nation." City Journal, Spring 2010
• “Churchill’s Finest Hour: How the Paris Hilton of British Politics Became the Savior of the Western World.” City Journal, November 24, 2009
• "Conservatism Turned Upside Down: Sam Tanenhaus's Critique of Conservative Reason." City Journal, October 16, 2009
• “Who Watches the Watchmen? CIA's Investigation of its inspector general is legitimate.” City Journal, October 17, 2007
• “Litany of Blunders: Tim Weiner's vital but flawed book about a vital but flawed agency.” City Journal, October 2, 2007.
• “His Long War: American Spy by E. Howard Hunt. National Review, April 30, 2007
• The New Paradigm: Merging Law Enforcement and Intelligence Strategies. Center for Policing Terrorism, January 2006.
• “Reagan’s Pope: The Cold War Alliance of Ronald Reagan and Pope John Paul II.” National Review, April 7, 2005
• “Riebling on Negroponte.” National Review, 2-13-05
• “And So You Must Go: The resignation of Director Tenet won't Cure CIA’s ills.” National Review, 6-03-04
• “Jesus, Jews, and the Shoah: A Moral Reckoning by Daniel Jonah Goldhagen. National Review, 1-27-03.
• “Red Alert: Al Qaeda is Planning -- Are We?” National Review, November 20, 2002.
• “Counter-Counterterrorism: The Debacle Pre-9/11.” National Review, November 15, 2002
• “Jihad@Work: Behind the Moscow-Theater Attack.” National Review, October 24, 2002
• “Freeh at Last: The Former FBI Director Admits (and Defends) the Bureau's Incompetence.” National Review, October 17, 2002
• “Black Hole: The Bush Intel Problem.” National Review, September 24, 2002
• "Lessons Learned." National Review, September 11, 2002
• “Getting Smart: Three Steps toward a More Intelligent Intelligence Community.” National Review, July 28, 2002
• “Watergate: The Gun is Still Smoking -- Tracing the Roots of Failure.” National Review, 6-18-02
• “Uncuff the FBI. Congress Must Un-do the Church Committee's Damage”. The Wall Street Journal, June 4, 2002
• “The Real Intelligence Failure: Congress’ Role.” National Review, May 28, 2002
• “Counterintelligent System.” The New York Times, March 22, 1994
• “Who's Warehousing Now?” City Journal, Autumn 1991

Drmies (talk) 19:41, 3 September 2010 (UTC)

Drmies, many (perhaps most) other articles on Authors contain bibliographies, so I'm unsure why one is out of place here. Perhaps it is too long, but that is another point. Timoleon212 (talk) 17:40, 17 October 2010 (UTC)Timoleon212Timoleon212 (talk) 17:40, 17 October 2010 (UTC)

Personal Background and Family Life

Mark Riebling is a descendant of the colonial explorer Stephen Holston, who in 1746 followed what is now the Holston River by canoe from Virginia to Mississippi as far as Natchez. His father, Robert. W. Riebling, served as a senior engineer in the Liquid Propulsion Section at the Jet Propulsion Laboratory and worked on on the NASA Surveyor Program, which on June 1, 1966, landed the first U.S. spacecraft on the moon. Riebling's friends include Neil Peart, drummer and lyricist of the rock group Rush, who mentions Riebling in his books Traveling Music: The Soundtrack of My Life and Times and Ghost Rider: Travels on the Healing Road.

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