Talk:Mark Dalbey

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This article has been flagged for deletion, seemingly unfairly per Wikipedia's own standards, which suggest that an academic individual is qualified for an article if, and I quote,

6. The person has held a highest-level elected or appointed academic post at a major academic institution or major academic society.

Criterion 6 may be satisfied, for example, if the person has held the post of President or Chancellor (or Vice-Chancellor in countries where this is the top academic post) of a significant accredited college or university, director of a highly regarded notable academic independent research institute or center (which is not a part of a university), president of a notable national or international scholarly society, etc. Lesser administrative posts (Provost, Dean, Department Chair, etc.) are generally not sufficient to qualify under Criterion 6 alone, although exceptions are possible on a case-by-case basis (e.g. being a Provost of a major university may sometimes qualify). Heads of institutes and centers devoted to promoting pseudo-science and marginal or fringe theories are generally not covered by Criterion 6; their heads may still be notable under other criteria of this guideline or under the general WP:BIO or WP:N guidelines.

Dr. Dalbey is the president-elect of Covenant theological seminary (as evidenced by the citation "Leadership Transition" from the institution's official web-page), and therefore satisfies this criterion.

The question is whether this counts as a "major academic institution"? It seems to be quite a small private institution so this may not be enough to save the article. I am not going to re-nominate it for deletion myself, as I am not 100% sure, but I think it fails to be "major" enough. I think your best bet is to try to find other reliable reference material that shows that he is notable in some other ways too. If it is nominated again it will have to be through the Articles for Deletion process which means that there will be a formal discussion about it with many people giving opinions. The more proof of notability you have the more likely you are to be able to prevail. That said, sometimes people write articles about subjects that are just not quite notable enough and they do have to be deleted. Please don't take it personally if this does happen. --DanielRigal (talk) 21:01, 7 May 2012 (UTC)

I'm not sure about the "major"... that could lean either way. My concern is that he is a vice-president and not president. An interm-president doesn't count. He currently doesn't permanently hold the highest-level post. Bgwhite (talk) 07:13, 8 May 2012 (UTC)

Also it is explicitly creating the position of Chancellor (above the president), so even a permanent president won't be the "highest-level elected or appointed academic post" there any more. Hrafn^Talk_Stalk^(P) 07:49, 8 May 2012 (UTC)

• "Bryan Chapell steps down as President of Covenant Theological Seminary; appointed to new position of Chancellor". The Aquila Report. 28 April 2012. Retrieved 2012-05-13. The following news release was sent out by Mark Dalbey, Acting President of the Seminary.

This news release exactly states that taking the post of Chancellor meant that Chapell "steps down".  In addition the repeated attempts to argue that in spite of this clear language Chancellor "might" mean something else were repeatedly beaten back at AfD.  Another report identifies Chapell's new duties will be "external".  The only remaining argument is a technicality that while Chapell remains the President on sabbatical, he is theoretically above the "Acting President".  This argument disappears on 1 June 2012.  "The person has held a highest-level elected or appointed academic post" clause is satisfied.  Unscintillating (talk) 02:51, 20 May 2012 (UTC)

No evidence has been presented that the position of president is above Chapell's new position of Chancellor. Also no evidence has been presented that WP:PROF confers the same status on temporary positions as on permanent ones. Hrafn^Talk_Stalk^(P) 07:59, 20 May 2012 (UTC)

Cited above, the news release states, "Chapell Steps Down".  In fact this was mentioned in the previous post, I'll quote,

This news release exactly states that taking the post of Chancellor meant that Chapell "steps down".

Additional evidence was mentioned, again I'll quote,

Another report identifies Chapell's new duties will be "external".

Unscintillating (talk) 11:17, 20 May 2012 (UTC)

The word "confers" means bestows.  Notability is not bestowed.  Unscintillating (talk) 11:17, 20 May 2012 (UTC)

1. Chapell is only 'stepping down' as President in order to take up the position of Chancellor when he returns from sabbatical.
2. "External"≠junior. In fact as I have already pointed out the more senior position of Chief Executive Officer (a position identified with Chancellor (education) in the American context) has a more "external" focus than the more junior position of Chief Operating Officer.
3. "The word 'confers' means bestows.  Notability is not bestowed." = blatant, meaningless WP:WIKILAWYERing.

This comment tells me nothing whatsoever of any validity about the facts, but everything about the character and general trustworthiness of its author. Relevant pages to describe your comment would appear to be WP:TE & WP:CB. I didn't have a high opinion of you previously, and rather thought that your nick was somewhat of an understatement. I now see that you are a perfect antonym of wikt:scintillating. Such extreme, blatant and fallacious WP:Synthesis of what the sources actually state would fail to 'scintillate' even the village idiot. Hrafn^Talk_Stalk^(P) 12:27, 20 May 2012 (UTC)

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