Talk:Marion Raven

Chart positions

See Talk:M2M (band) -- chsf, 18 March 2006 very good

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Removal of material from this source

While copyediting, I removed some quotations, because they relied on sources that were not reliable. Per WP:BLP and WP:CITE#When quoting someone, such information should not be kept:

• Unable to find Spirit Magazine quote. Is this "Southwest Airlines Spirit Magazine"[1]? Is that a reliable source? There is also a POV issue here - is this how Atlantic Records see things? It's unlikely both parties see eye-to-eye in the matter of a contract breakup. Unless a balancing quote or reference can be found, quoting like this will always unbalance the article.
• The Plan quote was from Raven's Myspace page, which is suitable only for material that is "relevant to the notability of the subject of the article" (WP:SPS); whether Raven donates to Plan is not relevant to her notability as a musician.
• Korg quote - Korg.com is not a reliable source, excepting information about the Korg company and its products.

--Rogerb67 (talk) 11:30, 22 January 2009 (UTC)

Also, I'm concerned about the reliability of some of the other references, especially for BLP material:

fansites?

• http://www.marion2u.com/ - described as a fansite in an external reference (now deleted per WP:ELNO). Fansites are pretty much never acceptable sources.
• http://www.m2m-australia.com/ - now defunct but archives [2] strongly suggest it was a fansite.
• http://www.marionmania.com - another dead site, archives [3] suggest fansite.

not reliable?

• http://www.3am.com.cn/MusicData_Artist.aspx?artist=Marion+Raven&parent=M&ischinese=0 - comes up with a very empty-looking page in Chinese; no idea but I'm not encouraged by what else I see here. Archives look the same.
• http://www.annecarlini.com/ - unable to find much third-party information aboiut this source to determine its reliability.
• http://acharts.us/ - offshoot of blog site MusicSquare.

commercial company site

• http://store.motleystore.com/marion-001.html - this is a Motley Crue site; unless the information was about them (I've been unable to verify), it's not a reliable resource
• http://www.gibson.com/ only reliable about their products and services, not award nominations.
• http://www.smarttix.com/ - advertising blurb associated with ticket sales is not a reliable source.

Probably OK but possibly not most reliable

• http://www.norway.org.uk, http://www.norway.org - Norway "official site in the United States/UK" - but how authoritative are the editors on popular music matters?
• http://www.theurbanwire.com/ - Student run entertainment magazine (this one may be very good, but I can't see many references to it on Google)
• http://www.hiponline.com/ - "music biographies, reviews & interviews", but I can't find much detail except a small handful of references on Google Books.

Any comments on these sources? Any better ones to suggest? --Rogerb67 (talk) 12:25, 22 January 2009 (UTC)

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