Talk:Marion Mitchell (singer)

Requested move 10 February 2022

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: moved as proposed, with a hatnote to Janie Jones. Consensus is 4-1 in favour of a move away from the base title, and only one out of five editors have raised WP:INCDAB as a reason for a longer disambiguator. feminist (talk) Слава Україні! 14:41, 11 March 2022 (UTC)

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• Marion Mitchell → Marion Mitchell (singer)
• Marion Mitchell (disambiguation) → Marion Mitchell

– There are five women listed upon the Marion Mitchell (disambiguation) page, with no indication that the three-sentence stub for the 1890s singer delineates a personality of such high renown that she overshadows the combined prominence of the other four women. —Roman Spinner (talk • contribs) 18:24, 10 February 2022 (UTC)

• Support No primarytopic here per nom. Dicklyon (talk) 02:12, 11 February 2022 (UTC)
• Oppose Undoubtedly, the New Zealand singer does not stand out as being better known as the others. But she is the only one with the common name matching the title of the disambiguation page who has a Wikipedia article. The poet is known by her full name (including middle name, which is usual for Americans). The author is not even known as Marion, but as either Mairin or Marian. The actress has this common name but we don’t have an article for her. And the English pop singer is known under a stage name different to this one. I thus regard the existing arrangement as appropriate. Once somebody writes an article for the actress it would be justified to action the page swap that’s proposed here. Schwede66 18:08, 11 February 2022 (UTC)

  It looks to me like the actual commonname of Marion Juliet Mitchell is Marion Mitchell; but the bios naturally include her middle name or initial to disambiguate. Dicklyon (talk) 18:43, 11 February 2022 (UTC)

• Ok, I've had a look. One of the three sources listed is the book Transactions of the State Medical Society of Wisconsin ... and in it, it has this chapter about her father: Biographical sketch of Dr. John Mitchell, of Janesville. In it, it says: "The Mitchell Book of Poems, brought out by him and his daughter Juliet at the completion of his eightieth year ...". Was her common name Juliet Mitchell after all? Schwede66 19:33, 11 February 2022 (UTC)

The main focus of this discussion should be the manner in which primary topics are chosen. It cannot be simply by default of name construction, otherwise every disambiguation page which has one person with the exact name that matches the dab page's main title header, while all the other people on that dab page use middle names, middle initials or hypocorisms, such as "Bob" or "Robbie", instead of "Robert", would automatically designate the person with the exact name as primary, without considering the individual notability of the other people, to say nothing of their combined notability. —Roman Spinner (talk • contribs) 22:27, 11 February 2022 (UTC)

• Support per nom.--Ortizesp (talk) 01:16, 13 February 2022 (UTC)--Ortizesp (talk) 01:16, 13 February 2022 (UTC)
• Move to Marion Mitchell (New Zealand singer). Marion Mitchell (singer) would appear to be a WP:INCDAB, given the existence of Janie Jones. Colin M (talk) 19:37, 28 February 2022 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.