Talk:Marijan Dragman

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Victim of Jasenovac edit

Latest comment: 6 years ago4 comments2 people in discussion

I have removed the sentence which questions his being the victim of Jasenovac concentration camp. It's part unsourced (the "propaganda" claim) and part WP:OR ("despite that fact"), but the real problem is that it doesn't make sense in more ways that one:

It is not uncommon nor it is really incorrect to list people who died en route to concentration camps as victims of these concentration camps (cf. Lea Deutsch for one).
It is unclear to me how killing a person in a concentration camp could be used for "anti-Croatian propaganda", while killing the same person by the same perpetrators (Croats, to be sure) outside a camp could not. GregorB (talk) 09:05, 20 December 2017 (UTC)Reply

I removed the "falsely listed" claim again.[1] I already explained why this cannot necessarily be seen as incorrect. Please, as a minimum, provide the source that says he was "falsely listed". GregorB (talk) 01:30, 1 January 2018 (UTC)Reply

On the page for Lea Deutsch it is stated that she died en route to Auschwitz, not in Auschwitz; as for Marijan Dragman, he was not the only one being transferred from Lepoglava and at that time and then killed before reaching the supposed target, namely Jasenovac. As for the falsely putting them on the list, I will provide a link to an article about that^[1].Nbanic (talk) 06:51, 1 January 2018 (UTC)Reply
I also put the link to the official Yugoslav victim's list^[2] where you can see the same claim. Additionally, I now also added the fact that they claimed that he was already killed there in 1944, i.e. like with others in the article that I previously mentioned he was put there probably indiscriminately. In the same article you can read about Mirko Breyer - he was supposedly also killed in a camp, but he survived the war and died in 1946. There is also Tina Morpurgo - it is well-known that she was killed in Belgrade, but the communist still listed her as being killed in Stara Gradiška, you can see it in the same document that I referenced here.Nbanic (talk) 07:08, 1 January 2018 (UTC)Reply

References

^ "Jasenovački popis: Manipulacije s poznatima i slavnima" (in Croatian). Retrieved 2016-04-30.
^ "Žrtve rata 1941-1945" [Victims of war 1941-1945] (PDF) (in Serbian). Retrieved 2018-01-01.

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[1] "Jasenovački popis: Manipulacije s poznatima i slavnima" (in Croatian). Retrieved 2016-04-30.

[2] "Žrtve rata 1941-1945" [Victims of war 1941-1945] (PDF) (in Serbian). Retrieved 2018-01-01.

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