Talk:Marc Ravalomanana/GA1

GA Review

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Reviewer: Diannaa (talk · contribs) 15:22, 13 December 2013 (UTC)

Please feel free to revert any of my copy edits.

• Thanks very much for taking the time to edit - it reads really well.

1. Is it reasonably well written?

   A. Prose: clear and concise, correct spelling and grammar:

   • There's no need to tell us how old he is if you've already provided us with the year in which an event occurred (no action needed; I already fixed).

   • I know most readers won't do the math to realize he was very much past the appropriate age for his grade, so I made it explicit. I think the age is probably worth including since I don't have the detailed information on what grades he repeated or how old he was when he started first grade (10?)

   • Okay, the unusual circumstances warrant spelling out his age in that one instance. -- Diannaa (talk) 16:17, 14 December 2013 (UTC)

   • ...with 2.5 million adherents, the most important religious association in Madagascar. Most important, or most popular?

   • Both, but I feel it's necessary to stress its importance here - it plays a very active role in politics, as becomes evident later in the article.

   • Supporters among Ravalomanana's high-level Tiko staff established a group to promote his campaign, which he named Tiako Iarivo ("I Love Antananarivo"). It the group named Tiako Iarivo? If so, this should be re-worded to "Supporters among Ravalomanana's high-level Tiko staff established a group, which he named Tiako Iarivo ("I Love Antananarivo"), to promote his campaign."

   • The name of the campaign was Tiako Iarivo, so we can keep this as-is.

   • Serial commas? Yes or No? The answer seems to be no, so some commas were removed. Hopefully I got them all :)

   • Thank you - this is one I'm not good at doing consistently one way or another. :)

   • What does BIANCO stand for? SINPA? SOMACODIS? Are any of these worth spelling out in full?

   • I've added the French names; the way I've explained what they are in the text obviates the need to translate the meaning of the names word for word.

   B. Complies with MoS for lead, layout, words to watch, fiction, and list incorporation:

   • Direct quote needs a citation immediately following ("mixed public interests with his personal interests".)

   • Added

   • Section header "Personality and public image" does not adequately describe the content in this super-short section. Can this material be incorporated elsewhere and the section header eliminated?

   • Okay - I'm hoping to expand it as a separate section before taking this to FA, but for now I've changed "Personal life" to "Other activities" and folded it in there.

   • Linking [[Malagasy people|ethnic group]] is a bit of an Easter egg - the link does not go where people will be expecting it to go. Same with [[Merina Kingdom|most politically prominent]]. There's other examples too: watercress, for example

   • I've changed the link for ethnic group to Ethnic groups of Madagascar and removed the link to cuisine, but I think the Merina Kingdom one is worth keeping. It's logical to me that describing how the Merina are politically prominent would link to the main article about the precolonial kingdom they established that ruled over the whole island.

2. Sourcing:

   A. Provides references, with in-line citations from reliable sources where necessary:

   • The citations to Marcus, Richard R. (August 2004). "Political Change in Madagascar: populist democracy or neopatrimonialism by another name?" should provide page numbers, as it's a nineteen-page document please.

   • This is just one of six journal articles I'm referencing, and like magazine articles or book chapters (to my knowledge) it's not typically expected that page numbers be cited for these shorter works. I haven't done this for any of my other FA or GA articles, and I organize my articles to cluster only book info under the references section, where this journal info would need to go if I make this requested change. Unless I have unknowingly been breaking some WP rules on this one, I'd prefer to keep the same style for everything I do.

   • The problem was that I was unable to search within the document to find the cited material or check for copy vio. Page numbers are not a GA requirement, so no worries.

   • Please provide the ISBN number for Dubois, Vincent (2012). La Compagnie des Indes Galantes.

   • There doesn't seem to be an ISBN for this book. I pulled the info from Google books here

   • It's not listed at WorldCat, either. -- Diannaa (talk) 16:17, 14 December 2013 (UTC)

   • The link to the Washington Post article "Madagascar's president steps down" is irretrievably dead. This is not enough to fail for GA, but you might like to remove this information or find an alternative source if you're going on to FA. The same source is used on several other Wikipedia articles.

   • Thanks for flagging this regarding other articles. As I move through and clean them up (and hopefully get them to GA at least) then I will fix this everywhere it shows up. For this article I've found another source (BBC) that captures the same information.

   B. Contains no copyright violations or too-close paraphrasing:

   • Spot checks revealed no too-close paraphrasing or copy vio.

   C. No original research:

3. Is it broad in its coverage?

   A. Main aspects are addressed:

   • You might consider adding more on his style of government if advancing on to FA. The article will need updating if the subject remains in the public eye.

   • Yes, agreed.

   B. Remains focused:

4. Does it follow the neutral point of view policy?

   Fair representation without bias:

5. Is it stable?

   No edit wars, etc:

6. Does it contain images to illustrate the topic?

   A. Images are copyright tagged, and non-free images have fair use rationales:

   B. Images are provided where possible and appropriate, with suitable captions:

7. Overall:

   Pass or Fail: - on hold for a week to complete suggested improvements. -- Diannaa (talk) 01:03, 14 December 2013 (UTC) Passed -- Diannaa (talk) 16:22, 14 December 2013 (UTC)

• Thanks for taking the time to copy edit and review this. I see you've been on WP a long time, like me, but we haven't had a chance to cross paths before. Congrats on all your contributions here! And thanks for helping to slim down the unending backlog on the GA noms page. Looking forward to getting to work together more often. - Lemurbaby (talk) 03:02, 14 December 2013 (UTC)

• I think I've responded to all your points. Thank you again. - Lemurbaby (talk) 04:59, 14 December 2013 (UTC)

• All points have been addressed. Thank you for your work on this article and for all you do here on Wikipedia. Passing to GA, -- Diannaa (talk) 16:17, 14 December 2013 (UTC)