Talk:Mantell UFO incident

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Skyhook/Venus section overlap

• There seems to be some overlap between the Skyhook balloon paragraph and the Venus paragraph. Could someone familiar with the subject matter re-write those in a clearer fashion? Aervanath 10:35, 24 January 2007 (UTC)

I don't see anything about Quinton Blackwell's testimony shown on an episode of the TV series Sightings in October of 1996, where he agrees to meet with Mantell's grieving children and tells them exactly what Mantell said and what occurred in the radio tower. I feel this is very significant to this UFO case, regardless of what it might have been he was chasing. I'm sure someone out there has this episode on video and can write a paragraph or 2 so that the full story can be told. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.28.197.105 (talk) 02:50, 27 September 2007 (UTC)

More Related Data?

Currently the article has this statement: ...In 1956, USAF Captain Edward J. Ruppelt, the supervisor of the Air Force's Project Blue Book study into the UFO mystery, would write that the Mantell Crash was one of three "classic" UFO cases in 1948 that would help to define the UFO phenomenon in the public mind... as a reader, I immediately wondered what the other two "classic" UFO cases in 1948 were, but alas there is no link. Can anyone add this? 218.25.32.210 (talk) 08:47, 10 October 2009 (UTC)

The other two "classic" UFO cases in 1948 Ruppelt was referring to were the Gorman Dogfight and the Chiles-Whitted UFO sighting (it's also a Wikipedia article, but I can't remember the exact name of the article). Hope this helps. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.145.229.162 (talk) 04:19, 5 November 2009 (UTC)

I added this to the article as per request.Ineverheardofhim (talk) 10:31, 7 January 2011 (UTC)

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Clinton county AFB role

I knew, from reading Edward Ruppert's book on Project Blue Book, that a Skyhook balloon from Clinton County AFB was considered as a strong probability for the object seen in Kentucky. However, I had never seen the bulletin from Clinton County indicating that they had also observed an object at about that same time.

If it was the Skyhook they had launched, wouldn't they have recognized it? And I would also thought that Ruppert would have known about their initial report of the object.

So there's no follow-up in this article as to why they thought the original sighting was not the Skyhook balloon that they had launched. It seems like either their initial report was in error, (it *was* the Skyhook, and they failed to identify it), or else the hypothesis about the Skyhook as probable object is flawed; the actual launch site said that the object they saw didn't match their balloon.

Alloy (talk) 09:50, 2 February 2018 (UTC)

The Buzz around Ft. Knox after the Mantell Crash

EWMarsh (talk) 05:12, 8 June 2019 (UTC)What I have to share may fall into the category of rumor, but it is a first hand report from one who was there, Elizabeth Waltz Boardman.

It was 1948. My father was Major Floyd R. Waltz, Jr., Third Army. The 3rd Armored Division ("Spearhead") was an armored division of the United States Army for the duration of WW2, reactivated on 15 July 1947 at Fort Knox, Kentucky to act as training formation." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/3rd_Armored_Division_(United_States) Major Waltz Jr.'s father, Colonel Floyd R. Waltz Sr. was Post Commander there at Ft. Knox at the same time, 1945-48.

Major Waltz came home from work deeply concerned about the happenings in the sky that day in January '48. He related the story of the UFO sighting to his wife, Doris M. Waltz. He told her of how the other pilots had returned to their base, but that Captain Mantell pursued the UFO, ignoring or not hearing an order to return. The other pilots related how the UFO had sped away at high speed with Mantell appearing to be in hot pursuit.

I was a seven year old child, but because my parents were visibly upset, I was alarmed, and so the memory is indelibly etched in my memory. They had said nothing to me that day of the crash. I only heard their hushed, worried voices talking together, their eyes intense. Because of my urgings to my mother the next day, with a warning to not repeat anything she told me what to their knowledge had happened. At that point, Captain Mantell's body had not been found, but the plane had been found and was riddled with small holes of indeterminate cause. The absence of his body was of great concern to everyone on post, an unsolved and frightening mystery those first few days after the crash. In the following years, to my knowledge they had evidently not heard (or related) the 'correct' story, perhaps forgetting that I knew the first version, which I shared with no one.

~Elizabeth Waltz Boardman

The coordinates are the site of the historical marker. GeorgeofOrange (talk) 01:51, 6 March 2020 (UTC)

Article by DVIDS

I stumbled upon this article, if anyone think it could useful in the wikipedia article.

• Eric, Pilgrim (2023-01-07). "Questions remain 75 years after mysterious Fort Knox UFO incident, downed pilot". Defense Visual Information Distribution Service. Retrieved 2023-07-29.

-- Arthurfragoso (talk) 04:10, 29 July 2023 (UTC)

NPOV and FRINGE issues

According to WP:FRIND sources, Mantell blacked out while chasing a then-classified Skyhook balloon:

• The First Air Force Pilot to Die Chasing a UFO Was Actually Chasing a Secret Balloon
• Thomas Francis Mantell Jr.
• UFOs Explained, Philp J. Klass, p.39
• Critical Thinking: Step by Step, Robt. Cogan, University Press of America

However, the article wrongly gives WP:UNDUE weight to fringe sources such as ufologist David M. Jacobs and ufology org NICAP so that conventional explanations are rebutted and dismissed. - LuckyLouie (talk) 15:35, 14 November 2023 (UTC)

I rewrote the Skyhook section. If that removed anything needed for the lead, feel free to add those bits in. If anyone else is interested in taking a swing at the article, the Venus section and last paragraph of "Incident" should probably be folded into an "Investigation" section that does not quite so much play up the mystery. Rjjⁱⁱⁱ (talk) 06:00, 16 November 2023 (UTC)

Pic of Mantell

Thanks to all for recent cleanup. Any chance we could get a pic of Mantell? Feoffer (talk)

The bluebook files on the commons have low-quality photos of the crash: File:Project Blue Book report - 1948-01-7272838-Godman-Kentucky-136-.pdf & File:Project Blue Book report - 1948-01-9669879-GodmanAFB-Ken--33-.pdf

National Guard photos should be public domain[1] and some of the articles credit some of their photos to the National Guard.[2] Rjjⁱⁱⁱ (talk) 21:48, 17 November 2023 (UTC)

Thanks for the link (and all the other stuff you do around here!) I've uploaded the image. Feoffer (talk) 09:18, 18 November 2023 (UTC)

Thanks! Kind of you to say. Related note: I have January 6 United States Capitol attack on my watchlist even though I don't edit it, and I often see you maintaining and updating it. Props for that; it's important topic in the US and loads of people where I live are still in some level of denial about it. Take care, Rjjⁱⁱⁱ (talk) 17:07, 18 November 2023 (UTC)

Additional bizarre info

Some sources indicated the metal sheets remains of capt. Mantell Mustang P-51 had lots of tiny holes. A much later report in Scientific American (SciAm) about 'Particle beam weapons' proposed such weapons produce holes in metal sheets. Mental connection is easy. Blessings + 2.138.252.4 (talk) 22:56, 8 March 2024 (UTC)

Read WP:RS and WP:OR. --Hob Gadling (talk) 09:45, 9 March 2024 (UTC)