Talk:Manifesto (2015 film)

Financing / production companies

Here are the cited sources crediting different organizations and companies (bolding the key words):

• "Manifesto is a coproduction of the Ruhr Triennale with the Australian Centre for the Moving Image [ACMI], the Art Gallery of New South Wales, the Hamburger Bahnhof - Museum für Gegenwart, the Sprengel Museum Hannover, the Burger Collection Hong Kong, Bayerischer Rundfunk and the Medienboard Berlin-Brandenburg." [1]
• "Manifesto has been proudly commissioned by ACMI in partnership with the Art Gallery of New South Wales, Hamburger Bahnhof - Museum für Gegenwart, Berlin and Sprengel Museum, Hannover, and Ruhrtriennale – Festival of the Arts … Our particular thanks are extended to the Verein der Freunde der Nationalgalerie, the Freunde des Sprengel Museum Hannover e.V. and the Medienboard Berlin-Brandenburg, as well as to the co-producers, the Burger Collection Hong Kong and the Ruhrtriennale, all of whom generously supported this project. Manifesto was produced in cooperation with the Bayerischer Rundfunk." [2]
• "Manifesto was created in cooperation with Bayerischer Rundfunk [BR], supported by Medienboard Berlin-Brandenburg … Production: Julian Rosenfeldt and Schiwago Film GmbH in coproduction with BR, supported by Medienboard Berlin-Brandenburg." [3]
• "The project was generously supported by the Verein der Freunde der Nationalgalerie, the Freunde des Sprengel Museum Hannover e.V. and the Medienboard Berlin-Brandenburg, as well as by the co-producers, the Burger Collection Hong Kong and the Ruhrtriennale. "Manifesto" was produced in cooperation with the Bayerischer Rundfunk." [4]
• "The exhibition was made possible by the Friends of the National Gallery and a joint production of the National Gallery in Berlin, together with the Australian Centre for the Moving Image, Melbourne, the Art Gallery of New South Wales, Sydney, and the Sprengel Museum, Hannover." [5]
• "Commissioned by the Australian Centre for the Moving Image … co-producer Bayerischer Rundfunk". [6]

The question is which of these qualify for inclusion in the infobox or if the parameter should be left blank. Lapadite (talk) 17:47, 15 February 2016 (UTC) The development section states, "The project was commissioned by the Australian Centre for the Moving Image, in partnership with Art Gallery of New South Wales, Museum für Gegenwart, Sprengel Museum, and Ruhrtriennale Festival of the Arts."[7]. Vmars22 added Bayerischer Rundfunk, Ruhr Triennale, Australian Centre for the Moving Image, and Schiwago Film to the infobox. Lapadite (talk) 18:24, 15 February 2016 (UTC)

Only because it seems that they are the main commisioners for the project, yet they are production companies, and they are listed as the production companies on IMDB. (although IMDB is not used for citing on here). There is another source, that also mentions them that isn't IMDB. Vmars22 (talk) 19:33, 15 February 2016 (UTC)

The Hollywood Reporter and Baseline both explicitly list production companies. I've found them to be very useful when there's a dispute. Variety is also a good source, though they aren't explicit about labeling stuff. I would probably just ignore anything that's on the IMDb. It's a good starting point for research, but it's too unreliable for anything else. NinjaRobotPirate (talk) 21:29, 15 February 2016 (UTC)

I agree. I was using the information listed on IMDB as a starting point to find sources, and what not. I'll look on Variety and Baseline for more information. Thank you :) Vmars22 (talk) 21:38, 15 February 2016 (UTC)

NinjaRobotPirate, the project isn't listed in Baseline, or discussed in Variety or The Hollywood Reporter (beyond a mention of the actress playing different roles and director commentary at a tribute). Above are the sources that discussion production, including the Australian Centre for the Moving Image (ACMI), which commissioned it. The ACMI source says the project was "commissioned by the Australian Centre for the Moving Image, in partnership with Art Gallery of New South Wales, Museum für Gegenwart, Sprengel Museum, and Ruhrtriennale Festival of the Arts." There are many organizations/companies credited in different forms by these sources; should "in partnership with", "in cooperation with", "supported by", "made possible by" be given the same weight as "commissioned by" and "coproduction with"? Beyond the ACMI's primary involvement, we don't know how much of a role these organizations/companies had in financing - if they all had; some of these are art museums or festivals exhibiting the installation, and "in partnership with" "in cooperation with", "supported by", and whatnot, could be non-financing credit. We don't know if most of these actually contributed to the financing of the film/installation. The only certainty is the ACMI. Lapadite (talk) 02:46, 16 February 2016 (UTC)

I linked to the Notes section instead, where all the companies are listed, as suggested by Erik at WT:FILM. Lapadite (talk) 10:03, 17 February 2016 (UTC)

Move

Why was the requested move at Wikipedia:Requested moves/Technical requests from 24 October 2017 never mentioned here? Why was that request acted on with undue haste and without further consideration? For a start, the disambiguator is not in line with Wikipedia's MoS. The words "film" and "art installation" ought to be lower case. Secondly, it's a very clumsy disambiguator. There was nothing wrong with the previous name, Manifesto (2015 film); it may have been an incomplete description, but disambiguators are not used to provide descriptions. If a new name was really required, why not Manifesto (Rosefeldt)? -- Michael Bednarek (talk) 05:19, 25 October 2017 (UTC)

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