Talk:Malacañang Palace/Archive 1

Archive 1

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Summarize

This article seems to be too long so it needs to shorten. Only the important details must be emphasize. I'm sure that not all of the information in this article is correct and sure. Please allow me to share my ideas by giving some suggestions and requests:

• Check all the information in this article, by finding reliable references or visiting and taking a tour around the Malacañang Palace.
• Summarizing the Main Article. As i search about several Presidential Palace and some different architectures, I found out that Halls, Buildings and more about the interior of the structure was not given more attention. but i recommend that Palace halls must be separated into another article. but the section Palace Halls will remain in this article but it must be change to a Gallery.
• Lastly, I recommend this as a structure of the article:

1. Etymology
2. History
3. Interior of the Palace (this is a separate article which include the Entrance Hall, Heroes Hall, Grand Staircase, Reception Hall, Ceremonial Hall, State Dining Room, Rizal Room, The Music Room, Private Quarters, Mabini Hall, Administration and Executive Buildings, The Presidential Study, New Executive Building, Kalayaan Hall, The Malacañang Museum, The Former Presidential Museum Bonifacio Hall, The Premier Guest House, Palace Guesthouses and Malacañang Park and the Bahay Pangarap}
4. Gardens
5. Malacañang Grounds

I hope my idea will help to improve and this article to a better one, giving correct information on correct and proper way... - 121.54.2.91 (talk) 16:38, 23 September 2011 (UTC)

More sources

Lately the open the Malacanan page on facebook https://www.facebook.com/malacanang and in tumblr http://tumblr.malacanang.gov.ph/. Uploading more photos and information. Hope it will greatly help the editors

Bonvallite (talk) 04:00, 23 October 2012 (UTC)

Name Part 2

According to Ambeth Ocampo's Looking Back (published 2010), pages 70-72, the original Spanish term was Malacañang, as well as the street that runs beside it as Calzada de Malacañang. The Americans removed the g for having difficulty to pronounce it, thus it became Malacañan. However, President Ramon Magsaysay had placed back the g, making it Malacañang once more, and it is official. I think we must put back the g as well. Arius1998 (talk) 12:14, 24 September 2012 (UTC)

I agree with you Arius. According to Wikipedia's rule on naming articles (WP:Article title#Common names): "Wikipedia does not necessarily use the subject's "official" name as an article title; it prefers to use the name that is most frequently used to refer to the subject in English-language reliable sources." The only reason why the title was changed was because it was "Official" despite being the most popular thus disregarding the Wikipedia rule. I will be reverting it back to "Malacañang". I don't really know the importance of the official change or why was it officially changed, but I think the change is grammatically incorrect.

In Tagalog, when words (usually adjectives) ending in the letter 'n' or a vowel, is followed by a word that starts with consonants, like 'p', we always add suffixes '-g' or '-ng' or sometimes '-m' to relate the two words. For example, 'gahamang pulitiko', 'pitong gatang', 'talambuhay'. If the first word ends in consonants other than 'n', we insert the word 'na' in between the two words to relate them, e.g. apoy na mainit, tigib na damdamin, etc. Therefore, using Malacañan Palace is just bad grammar. I am sure that any Filipino speakers would say that Malacañan Palace does not feel natural when spoken. I think the present government should officially correct themselves like Magsaysay did in 1953. Maybe, they don't speak Tagalog in Malacañang Palace? Any comments? (I'm also correcting my comment after I edited the article. I just want to add that during the American period, Malacañang Palace was used interchangeably with Malacañan Palace. Whether it was officially changed to Malacañan, I haven't found a proof yet. But books I found from the Spanish period spelled it as Malacañang Palace. I added my references to the article after I moved it back to Malacañang Palace.) Briarfallen (talk) 22:28, 17 December 2012 (UTC)

New Photo

I just want to request that the photo [File:Malacanang palace view.jpg] must be replace. this photo was used for a long time, also the photo was not captured properly. I notice that there's a boat-like image in the palace. the palace nust be given special attention. When i look also in different official residence and presidential palace. the photos are properly shot. This website can help to my request [1]...121.54.2.91 (talk) 16:36, 1 July 2013 (UTC)

Requested move 24 June 2016

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the move request was: withdrawn. Jenks24 (talk) 06:31, 1 July 2016 (UTC)

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Malacañang Palace → Malacañan Palace – Per WP:COMMONNAME. Malacañan Palace (309,000 results) vs. Malacañang Palace (173,000 results). RioHondo (talk) 05:10, 24 June 2016 (UTC)

• Oppose - The Tagalog name is Malacañang. Long live Imperial Manila. Mabuhay! Shhhhwwww!! (talk) 14:07, 24 June 2016 (UTC)
• Comment WP:COMMONNAME is the name that is most frequently used to refer to the subject in English-language reliable sources. The nominator's raw WP:GOOGLETEST, which captures blogs, internet comments, and other random flotsam, is not a good way of judging the common name in reliable sources. The evidence from searches actually limited to reliable sources is mixed: Google News shows more results for "Malacañang Palace", while Google Books shows more for "Malacañan Palace". (Google Ngrams claims it can't find any ngrams for Malacañan Palace, so it's hard to judge how the difference has evolved over time). 210.6.254.106 (talk) 04:19, 25 June 2016 (UTC)
  • It seems Ngrams can be coaxed to give results if you omit the tilde; it shows "Malacanang" as slowly overtaking "Malacanan" in the 1960s and rising to about 4x more common since then [2] (note however it is not limited by WP:ENGVAR). 210.6.254.106 (talk) 04:23, 25 June 2016 (UTC)
• Oppose. The current title is the more common form, according to this Ngram. Gulangyu (talk) 11:54, 26 June 2016 (UTC)
• Withdraw. Thanks for those links. This should settle the name disputes from above earlier discussions.--RioHondo (talk) 02:19, 1 July 2016 (UTC)

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Name

If it's "Malacañang Palace" is erroneous, why don't we move the article then to "Malacañan Palace"?

Because it is not erroneous. AFAIK, both Malacañang Palace and Malacañan Palace are correct. --Jojit fb 08:01, 28 July 2005 (UTC)

According to this site, the two are always interchangeable. --Jojit fb 08:10, 29 July 2005 (UTC)

Not so long ago a signpost was erected along Osmeña Ave., and it displays "MALACAÑAN". Perhaps we should rename the article, or should the current title be retained?

Malacañang Palace is the most popular name so that should be the article name. --Howard the Duck | talk, 05:48, 14 May 2006 (UTC)

You still have the problem that officially, it is Malacañan Palace and Malacañang. So better to apply a consistent policy: are official residences referred to by their popular name and spelling, or according to the official terminology? Gareon 06:33, 16 May 2006 (UTC)

Can you cite reliable sources regarding its official name? This is the only way to resolve the issue otherwise the popular name should be its title here in Wikipedia. --Jojit fb 06:39, 16 May 2006 (UTC)

As said at WP:NC:

Generally, article naming should give priority to what the majority of English speakers would most easily recognize, with a reasonable minimum of ambiguity, while at the same time making linking to those articles easy and second nature.

IMHO, most English language speakers and even Pinoys easily recognize Malacanang, not Malacanan. --Howard the Duck | talk, 09:08, 16 May 2006 (UTC)

That's clear then. Re: reliable source, there's the official stationery of the president, and the official history of the Palace which was published in 2005.Gareon 10:22, 16 May 2006 (UTC)

Just added some sourced material on the name.Anyo Niminus (talk) 23:59, 20 April 2008 (UTC)

http://www.gov.ph/2011/01/17/briefer-on-the-new-malacanang-briefing-room-signage/ - On the issue of the name:

“ In 1986, by means of her presidential issuances, President Corazon C. Aquino officially restored the designation of Malacañan Palace for the residence of the President of the Philippines—it had officially been changed to Malacañang in 1953 during the Magsaysay administration. A distinction was made between Malacañan Palace as the designation for the official residence of the President, and Malacañang as shorthand for the Office of the President of the Philippines.

This is why, for example, today, executive issuances such as Executive Orders and Proclamations personally signed by the President of the Philippines bear the header Malacañan Palace, while executive issuances delegated to subordinates and signed by them, bear the heading Malacañang. President Corazon Aquino’s restoration of the designation Malacañan Palace was reflected in official stationery, and signage, including the backdrop for press briefings and conferences featuring the Pasig River façade of the Palace.

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If we are talking about the official usage, then the above statement from the Official Gazette makes it clear that Malacañan Palace is the name of the building itself, while Malacañang (without the word "Palace") is refers to the Office of the President. However, the popular name must also be considered. Mk32 (talk) 20:37, 17 January 2011 (UTC)

Google search on the name:

• Malacañang - About 975,000 results
• Malacanang - About 494,000 results
• Malacañan Palace - About 146,000 results
• Malacanan - About 111,000 results
• Malacañang Palace - About 106,000 results
• Malacanan Palace - About 60,000 results
• Malacanang Palace - About 60,000 results
• Malacañan - About 43,400 results

Mk32 (talk) 20:49, 17 January 2011 (UTC)

(NOTE: I asked to move the page at the Tambayan, but it did not get support, so I will not continue to ask for a move Mk32 (talk) 20:30, 22 January 2011 (UTC))

Hi all. The new P20 bills now prominently say Malacañan palace on the front, as opposed to Malacañang on backs of the older P20 bills. It's now been almost 10 years since this thread was started, and today the "n" version is now more commonly used throughout Philippine news media and the "more popular" argument definition is changing, especially among the younger generation. Even throughout Wikipedia, the article is referred to as "Malacañan" and it does create a large amount of confusion when visitors land here. As such I'm re-opening the discussion on the rename of article to "Malacañan" as it is now the term and spelling used in official documents, currency and news media. Let's give it a month and if there are no oppositions, let's do the move? -Object404 (talk) 15:45, 24 April 2015 (UTC)

Yes we need to move it. Malacañan is really the right name. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Frankferns1 (talk • contribs) 13:57, 8 August 2017 (UTC)

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